Sunday marks the 78th anniversary of the Enola Gay, piloted by Colonel Paul Tibbets, dropped the atomic bomb that destroyed Hiroshima. Three days later, we dropped the second atomic bomb on Nagasaki. The Japanese warlords still voted 3-3 on surrendering. Intervention by the emperor ended the war and the Japanese told the allies it planned to surrender, which it did on September 2.
War is such a wasteful and inefficient way to impose your will on a people. Regrettably, we haven't found a better way to prevent foreign aggression. But people who sigh in dismay over our use of atom bombs on Japan apparently don't realize we had little choice, and in fact might have saved lives by using "the bomb". And as for the bomb having killed so many people all at once apparently haven't read about bombing raids that created fire storms in Japanese cities and killed as many people with a single raid.
The immorality of using the bomb is a straw man created by the Soviets, who have always wanted to disarm us without firing a shot. It is looking more and more as if they succeeded, through our teachers unions.
Surber pens A good Appolonian response to an expected childish Dyonisian outcry by liberals regarding oure use of the bombs to end the war. Our mistake was in forming the United Nations afterward
And brits have been condescending in the process: even to funding of sundry disreputable people's behavior.....which might make a good plot for someone with writing talent. As in MI-6 rigs market to provide funding for Soros on Epstein Island honey trap.
Pardon me for laughing loudly in my grief stricken state. I'm smiling at the thought of the coming battle of wits, although it appears that our enemies are unarmed.
I am 50ish, and I don’t ever remember learning about the Japanese death marches in school. We learned, of course, about Pearl Harbor, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki. I’m convinced we only learned about Iwo Jima because of the famous photograph of the flag raising. I learned more about the war with Japan from Laura Hillenbrand’s Unbroken than I did in school.
Pondering this now makes me look anew at the failures of our education system. Why were we not taught about the death marches, and the savage brutality against the Chinese? I didn’t know about Nanking until now. Why is that?
In the late 1980s, my high school made everyone participate in a mock congress and debate a bill. We were assigned roles and political parties, and I remember it as the highlight of my secondary education. My son graduated from the very same school but there was no mock congress. Instead, he was taught only the liberal side of history and civics. He had many arguments with his teachers. By graduation he was bitter, and they had stolen the joy from his favorite subject.
Our children are being taught what to think instead of how to think. I now homeschool my youngest. Where I live in NJ, there is no hope for any meaningful debate or change. But we must fight when and where we can.
Thank you, Don, for another perfect response to liberal nonsense du jour.
This is personal for my family. My father was in the WWII Coast Guard. He served on a converted ocean liner that transported troops into battle and shuttled captured POWs back to the states to labor camps. After VE day, his ship was transferred to San Francisco where it was being outfitted as a hospital ship to transport the wounded back to the States. They were preparing to support a long, tough fight. Work was immediately stopped, and the converted ocean liner scrapped after Nagasaki, his enlistment was over!
For me too and I imagine for many of us senior citizens. Hubby and I went to see Oppenheimer yesterday and it had me thinking about the millions and millions of Americans who are here today because our fathers, grandfathers and great grandfathers were not forced to invade the Japanese homeland. My father was on Guadalcanal and was lucky enough to make it home and start a family. The result today is 4 children, 5 grandchildren and 10 great grandchildren.
In many ways, I think any who served in a forward area, and/or who dealt directly with the aftermath (corpsmen, doctors, nurses) of live combat experienced such horror that cannot be described. Their comrades know, too - so there is no need to discuss it. There is no way we could ever understand, appreciate what they experienced.
My father was also Coast Guard and on a Troop Transport called the USS Wakefield. It may be family folklore but we were told many times how he and his friends lied about their ages and enlisted at age 17. His tour of duty ended over a year after the end of WWII bringing back all the troops for their far flung locations all over the Pacific.
Small world! My dad went to summer school in order to graduate high school early and get "in the fight." He enlisted and chose the Coast Guard so he could train near his girlfriend. : ) He was on USCS Dickson, a converted ocean liner, unusual CG service, indeed. He never said so, but I believe transporting so many of his peers to certain death haunted him.
My father was in an assisted living facility the last years of his life. He was on the navy and there were lots of military people at the facility, including a Pearl Harbor survivor and a former resident or the Hanoi Hilton.
Among the residents was a Japanese woman who was born in the US. Her and her two sisters were sent to Japan by her parents to attend high school. When WWII started and her parents were among the first interred out west, the sisters remained in Japan and stayed there throughout the war. They lived in Hiroshima. Two survived the bomb. One did not. Other family members did not.
She said the bomb was necessary and had no bitterness about the US using it, even though it cost her a sister and other relatives. She and her husband, another Japanese American went on to distinguishably serve this country in the military and in intelligence positions.
Mean stupid Perv grifter of 50 years working w Marxist Preezy and Uniparty ‘We all get filthy rich as War Pigs’ got to activate their 10 year old grifter Proxy war with 2nd strongest nuclear Power. Ukrainians get to be ground meat and everyone in DC gets richer! Same idiots hate the idea of zero-carbon-emission nuclear power - reason has to be billions more grift w Green Energy Solyndra shams, vs GE or Westinghouse contracts. Truly satan and his evil spirits are running our nation - reads like Chronicles. Thanks AG Jeff Sessions.
Support for Ukraine war is another mark on our history as a nation. Ukraine is a vast money laundering operation for many. Obama started this turmoil with the war-monger Victoria Nuland spearheading his ill=fated venture. Another Obama fiasco going unreported. Ukrainian soldiers and now those pressed into service with little training or support are expected to advance on mine strewn fields. This is insane and murder
Obama is cunning, but he’s a puppet in his own way. He appeared magically out of nowhere and a few years later he was installed as President of the United States. Biden, Bush also puppets, neither cunning however. The Deep State wants this war in Ukraine. It’s not possible to win this war. We aren’t going to achieve any US strategic national goals. Whatever we are doing over there may be benefiting a few people who are skimming money, but otherwise it’s dangerous, stupid, and destructive. It’s not working militarily, as a political distraction, or economically - unless the goals are to get a lot of Ukrainians killed, destroy the European economy, and start a nuclear conflagration. As usual it appears we are shooting ourselves in the foot. We have no defined endpoint. What is the criterion for “victory”? Our State Department, among many other Federal agencies, is corrupt, incompetent, dangerous ( to Americans) , and stupid. It has been for a very long time/
Agreed. I am disgusted with the war crimes the Biden Administration is committing in the name of the American people in this proxy war with Ukraine.
NATO (read: the U.S.) has poked and prodded Russia since Yeltsin came on the scene, and accelerated under Obama. For three years, Putin warned the U.S. has no defense against Russia’s hypersonic missiles. Like the Japanese in 1945, the neocons in control ignored him and provoked this proxy war with Russia, using the Ukrainians as cannon fodder. The U.S. military strategy of poring hundreds of billions into a joystick controlled military has been completely obsolete in a grind them out land war in Ukraine. U.S. materiel supplied to the Ukrainians are burning and smoldering in the fields. Russia is an autarky and its industrial base is rapidly replacing and simultaneously increasing its inventory of war materiel while the U.S. cannot replace its obsolete materiel because many (most?) of the parts needed are manufactured in China and most of the metals are mined in Russia. In recent war games, U.S. military brass says the U. S. will lose a war with Russia, and that the U.S. will lose a war with China. The 80-year history of U.S. military superiority is over, and nobody seems to be paying attention. To point out these facts brands one as a Putin apologist.
War is hell and the Japanese were brutal enemies - ask the Koreans, Chinese and any POW. We had a more powerful weapon of war and we used it. It worked astonishingly well.
I've been a lay student of Hiroshima and Nagasaki since I first learned about them. While the atom bomb is undeniably powerful, we know very little about radiation and after-effects.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki - direct hits - are now large, bustling, modern cities. The genetic deformities of future generations predicted never materialized. I've read nothing about higher cancer rates in their populations. The soil, rocks, surviving buildings don't seem to be giving off poisonous radiation.
Chernobyl appears to be thriving with none of the predicted mutations. Older people who refused to leave their nearby homes were largely unaffected.
What's the condition of the atolls in the Pacific used to test atomic bombs? Where did the radiation from the bombs spread and with what result?
The human body is very resilient - as is all of nature.
It appears that, once again, there's a lot the "experts" don't know and use fear to cover their ignorance. Beyond here there be dragons.
Not suggesting I want to see atomic bombs used in war. Just questioning how much the government has told us about radiation is really true. Maybe nuclear power IS the cheap, clean safe energy solution?
A dear friend grew up on eastern Poland, not far from Chernobyl. She has had a type of cancer for many years. Many in the region she lived in have that cancer and she used to go back to Poland for treatments as they were specialists on treating that strain. Not everyone in her family got the cancer. It seems that some were susceptible to it and some weren’t. Seems like more weren’t than we’re, but to make a short story long, there is a type of cancer that came forth out of the Chernobyl disaster.
You said "Chernobyl appears to be thriving with none of the predicted mutations." THAT IS A LIE. The only reason MORE people weren't killed is that very strong winds just happen to be blowing east to west in largely forested areas for six weeks after the accident. Animal and tree life have returned and are doing quite well. No one knows for sure when that will be, but estimates for man returning to the Chernobyl area are around 150 years.
Tony - you accuse me of lying but go on to agree with my statements.
You say: "Animal and tree life have returned and are doing quite well" so where's the lie?
You say: "...estimates for man returning to the Chernobyl area are around 150 years." based on what? Half-life of atomic particles is measured in thousands of years, not a 150. Nagasaki and Hiroshima were rebuilt and inhabited by humans immediately after the war.
Your comment supports mine rather that proving "THAT IS A LIE". Once again, there's a lot the "experts" don't know so they use fear to cover the gap. Observation is telling us humans and nature are very resilient. How resilient? They - and we - have no idea.
You canNOT compare the bombs of Nagasaki and Hiroshima to what happened at Chernobyl some 40 years later because the A-bombs, thus plutonium, are around 75-100 times more powerful. I said human life, not animal life, was susceptical to the ills of radiation and so I stand by what I said. I do agree with you on one thing you said at the end of your comment. No one has any real idea of what can--and will--happen.
You take the position that in questioning and comparing actual results to the "we're all gonna die and nature will be a wasteland for 1,000 years" assurances from experts that I am somehow advocating that atomic radiation is benign.
Re-read my comments.
I marvel at the resilience of human life and nature whether it's Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Chernobyl or Fukushima. We should know more about the aftermath. Not less. When the quest for knowledge is stopped by a wall of fear, my curiosity is piqued to see what's behind it.
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My Dad was a trained M.D. destined to be in a MASH unit if we had to invade Japan. They understood the U.S. casualties from the invasion could be in the order of 500,000 dead or injured. The Japanese mindset back then was to kill whatever/whenever an enemy was alive as you noted for Iwo Jima, China and their death marches. The second was only necessary because they didn't get the message with #1.
So, what do We the People do in our current war against the DC cartel that has established itself as Public Enemy Number One? We need a new Greatest Generation to fight this evil in our midst. In theory it should be quite easy. There are no beaches to storm but there are towns that must be retaken. Unfortunately, it requires a lot of people to "man up." Where will we find such people? Trump is one. Where are the rest?
Sometime in the '80s a Japanese film company wanted to make a comprehensive documentary on this subject. They had access to previously classified documents and one of them was a report created by an army colonel who had been tasked with calculating our likely losses should we invade Japan, and also what we would need to establish an occupation force as had already been done in Germany. He concluded that, due to the inevitable resentments felt by both sides, it would take about a million troops to keep lawful order, and America had neither the resources no the will to do that alone. Consequently, we would have to allow the Soviets to participate, as they manifestly wanted to do, and that would require a partitioning scheme, with a Soviet zone of occupation.
So this film crew tracked down this colonel and interviewed him about his report. They asked him whether, decades after the war, he still stood by his assessment, and he said, "Yes."
At this point they stopped filming and had a huddle, with the interpreter sharing everything that had passed between him and the colonel. After a few minutes he returned to the colonel and said:
Thanks for adding an insight that I had never thought of. The estimates of casualties of an invasion of Japan has been around forever, however, the idea of a partitioned Japan is a new wrinkle. The Soviets grabbed the Kuril Islands as a consequence of their belated declaration of war on Japan, so the idea of a Soviet occupation of a part of Japan is totally believable.
When we had obama in the white house and now with fellow idiot Biden in there, The risk of nuclear war moved out of the realm of possibility to probability. It is true that neither Russia nor China have the ability to have a trans-oceanic invasion of The United States, but with the very real possibility of war with nuclear war being 'likely.' I can't help but wonder how people can buy a missile silo or can think they can survive at sea. As our creator once said "I will find you." I want to know where in the hell are our patriots are. You know, the ones who swore to defend our country from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Enemy #1 is sitting right there in the white house with his hand on the launch codes.
Maybe off the point a bit, but looking at the sanction operation against Russia after it invaded Ukraine, I wondered what if that coalition of nations had organized before Russia invaded and promised immediate sanctions if they invaded. Perhaps some of the sanctions could have been a bit more painful? Would Russia have invaded?
Well, what about Taiwan? If the world agreed and built a powerful, nearly total, coalition with extreme sanctions if China invades Taiwan, would it make them behave? Wouldn't it be worth it to try rather than react to an invasion or some type of blockade? I don't see the downside.
Perhaps this could be done through the UN? Oh....I crack myself up. Hey Sam, where did you put that opium pipe?
"I don't see the downside." That's because you're a normal, moral person. There is a huge downside for our ruling elites...it kills a major source of income for them. Witness, now, the Ukrainian kickback scheme, managed by their useful idiot, the punk comedian. Meanwhile, We the People are stuck with the tab.
My dad was a corpsman attached to several Navy units in the Pacific campaign. My mother was a lieutenant jg RN who ran one of the Marine Corps amputee wards at Muir Island. My father-in-law was on the Raleigh at Pearl Harbor and earned 3 other battle stars in the Pacific. I could go on and list all the relatives and friends who fought in the Pacific (I knew none who fought the other facists in Europe, strangely) but it would be lengthy. The ferocious fighting ability and fanaticism of the Japanese was something we could not understand but was real and they would have fought to the last. Louis Zafirinni, the great runner who was captured and spent time in Japan as a POW, recalls in his autobiography watching children being drilled on how to fight invaders...with sharpened bamboo sticks. If we would have invaded, scores of millions of Japanese would have died and we would have lost as many as a million casualties. I agree completely that dropping the two bombs saved tens of millions of lives, mostly Japanese. The revisionism is just more anti-American trashing by the left, all of who have very comfortable sinecures in universities and business, and don't ever have to deal with real world issues, just academic ones. Truman would have been guilty of war crimes had he not used the bombs.
Thank you Many today, especially among our educated elite who look down on the atomic bombing of Japan as something horrendous and unforgiveable, are likely who would have rejected the call to duty. You're right in illustrating the horrors that were unleashed upon just one of the many people's whom the Japanese conquered. Estimates of American causalities of an amphibious invasion of Japan then were in the millions. In China, a popular pastime of Japanese soldiers was to decapitate innocent people to see who could run up the greatest tally before tiring. Some fun, eh? After the very "reluctant surrender" of the Japanese the US battleship Missouri steamed into Tokyo harbor along with other support vessels. Having firsthand knowledge of the sinister nature of the Japanese war mind, the conquered enemy was instructed to place white sheets over the artillery guns that were concealed. Lo and behold everyone observing the hillsides were amazed at the vast numbers of guns that an amphibious landing would have faced. Amazing how people can conveniently and SAFELY criticize history with undue righteousness and security. Had your love one's been there, well?
“With the new movie Oppenheimer’s debut last month and the end of the teaching of American history in a positive light, lefties have resurrected the argument against using the A-bomb to end World War II. “
Congratulations, Don. In this one paragraph, using a perfectly clear example, you have exposed the agenda, the method & the means of execution of the commie/commie lite/socialist/leftie agenda.
War is such a wasteful and inefficient way to impose your will on a people. Regrettably, we haven't found a better way to prevent foreign aggression. But people who sigh in dismay over our use of atom bombs on Japan apparently don't realize we had little choice, and in fact might have saved lives by using "the bomb". And as for the bomb having killed so many people all at once apparently haven't read about bombing raids that created fire storms in Japanese cities and killed as many people with a single raid.
The immorality of using the bomb is a straw man created by the Soviets, who have always wanted to disarm us without firing a shot. It is looking more and more as if they succeeded, through our teachers unions.
Even fewer know about the fire bombings of German cities. War is truly hell. Always has been.
If you want read about an absolutely ferocious firebombing of Dresden,
Germany in 1944. A completely unarmed city and was bombed into the stone ages due to faulty information
Surber pens A good Appolonian response to an expected childish Dyonisian outcry by liberals regarding oure use of the bombs to end the war. Our mistake was in forming the United Nations afterward
We won the war, but we lost he peace, with the subtle organized "help" from our eureopean and british "friends."
We forgot nations have no friends, just common interests and the Brits have used us as their enforcers for a long time.
And brits have been condescending in the process: even to funding of sundry disreputable people's behavior.....which might make a good plot for someone with writing talent. As in MI-6 rigs market to provide funding for Soros on Epstein Island honey trap.
George Soros is getting a little old to worry about getting it up. His fairy son is another matter.
But his spawn had lately been beating a path to the White House (soon to be named the casa de chocolate).
Do you mean tranny casa de chocolate?
The third atomic bomb detonated when China dropped Joe Biden on us
Pardon me for laughing loudly in my grief stricken state. I'm smiling at the thought of the coming battle of wits, although it appears that our enemies are unarmed.
Praying for you and your family. Faith has held me together at the most dire times. ;)
You’re so smart, Don!
I am 50ish, and I don’t ever remember learning about the Japanese death marches in school. We learned, of course, about Pearl Harbor, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki. I’m convinced we only learned about Iwo Jima because of the famous photograph of the flag raising. I learned more about the war with Japan from Laura Hillenbrand’s Unbroken than I did in school.
Pondering this now makes me look anew at the failures of our education system. Why were we not taught about the death marches, and the savage brutality against the Chinese? I didn’t know about Nanking until now. Why is that?
In the late 1980s, my high school made everyone participate in a mock congress and debate a bill. We were assigned roles and political parties, and I remember it as the highlight of my secondary education. My son graduated from the very same school but there was no mock congress. Instead, he was taught only the liberal side of history and civics. He had many arguments with his teachers. By graduation he was bitter, and they had stolen the joy from his favorite subject.
Our children are being taught what to think instead of how to think. I now homeschool my youngest. Where I live in NJ, there is no hope for any meaningful debate or change. But we must fight when and where we can.
Thank you, Don, for another perfect response to liberal nonsense du jour.
I was going to make a comment along these same lines. But you have done a much better job of it! Well said!
This is personal for my family. My father was in the WWII Coast Guard. He served on a converted ocean liner that transported troops into battle and shuttled captured POWs back to the states to labor camps. After VE day, his ship was transferred to San Francisco where it was being outfitted as a hospital ship to transport the wounded back to the States. They were preparing to support a long, tough fight. Work was immediately stopped, and the converted ocean liner scrapped after Nagasaki, his enlistment was over!
For me too and I imagine for many of us senior citizens. Hubby and I went to see Oppenheimer yesterday and it had me thinking about the millions and millions of Americans who are here today because our fathers, grandfathers and great grandfathers were not forced to invade the Japanese homeland. My father was on Guadalcanal and was lucky enough to make it home and start a family. The result today is 4 children, 5 grandchildren and 10 great grandchildren.
My grandfather was on Okinawa as an MP in WWII. He never said a word about his time there.
Almost none do.
In many ways, I think any who served in a forward area, and/or who dealt directly with the aftermath (corpsmen, doctors, nurses) of live combat experienced such horror that cannot be described. Their comrades know, too - so there is no need to discuss it. There is no way we could ever understand, appreciate what they experienced.
My 96 year old neighbor was Airborne and will not talk about his stints either.
Anyone who has been in or near a combat zone rarely talks about their experiences. May God have mercy on your Father's Soul.
Thank you, tj.
Tony
My father was also Coast Guard and on a Troop Transport called the USS Wakefield. It may be family folklore but we were told many times how he and his friends lied about their ages and enlisted at age 17. His tour of duty ended over a year after the end of WWII bringing back all the troops for their far flung locations all over the Pacific.
Small world! My dad went to summer school in order to graduate high school early and get "in the fight." He enlisted and chose the Coast Guard so he could train near his girlfriend. : ) He was on USCS Dickson, a converted ocean liner, unusual CG service, indeed. He never said so, but I believe transporting so many of his peers to certain death haunted him.
My father was in an assisted living facility the last years of his life. He was on the navy and there were lots of military people at the facility, including a Pearl Harbor survivor and a former resident or the Hanoi Hilton.
Among the residents was a Japanese woman who was born in the US. Her and her two sisters were sent to Japan by her parents to attend high school. When WWII started and her parents were among the first interred out west, the sisters remained in Japan and stayed there throughout the war. They lived in Hiroshima. Two survived the bomb. One did not. Other family members did not.
She said the bomb was necessary and had no bitterness about the US using it, even though it cost her a sister and other relatives. She and her husband, another Japanese American went on to distinguishably serve this country in the military and in intelligence positions.
Mean stupid Perv grifter of 50 years working w Marxist Preezy and Uniparty ‘We all get filthy rich as War Pigs’ got to activate their 10 year old grifter Proxy war with 2nd strongest nuclear Power. Ukrainians get to be ground meat and everyone in DC gets richer! Same idiots hate the idea of zero-carbon-emission nuclear power - reason has to be billions more grift w Green Energy Solyndra shams, vs GE or Westinghouse contracts. Truly satan and his evil spirits are running our nation - reads like Chronicles. Thanks AG Jeff Sessions.
Support for Ukraine war is another mark on our history as a nation. Ukraine is a vast money laundering operation for many. Obama started this turmoil with the war-monger Victoria Nuland spearheading his ill=fated venture. Another Obama fiasco going unreported. Ukrainian soldiers and now those pressed into service with little training or support are expected to advance on mine strewn fields. This is insane and murder
Obama is cunning, but he’s a puppet in his own way. He appeared magically out of nowhere and a few years later he was installed as President of the United States. Biden, Bush also puppets, neither cunning however. The Deep State wants this war in Ukraine. It’s not possible to win this war. We aren’t going to achieve any US strategic national goals. Whatever we are doing over there may be benefiting a few people who are skimming money, but otherwise it’s dangerous, stupid, and destructive. It’s not working militarily, as a political distraction, or economically - unless the goals are to get a lot of Ukrainians killed, destroy the European economy, and start a nuclear conflagration. As usual it appears we are shooting ourselves in the foot. We have no defined endpoint. What is the criterion for “victory”? Our State Department, among many other Federal agencies, is corrupt, incompetent, dangerous ( to Americans) , and stupid. It has been for a very long time/
Agreed. I am disgusted with the war crimes the Biden Administration is committing in the name of the American people in this proxy war with Ukraine.
NATO (read: the U.S.) has poked and prodded Russia since Yeltsin came on the scene, and accelerated under Obama. For three years, Putin warned the U.S. has no defense against Russia’s hypersonic missiles. Like the Japanese in 1945, the neocons in control ignored him and provoked this proxy war with Russia, using the Ukrainians as cannon fodder. The U.S. military strategy of poring hundreds of billions into a joystick controlled military has been completely obsolete in a grind them out land war in Ukraine. U.S. materiel supplied to the Ukrainians are burning and smoldering in the fields. Russia is an autarky and its industrial base is rapidly replacing and simultaneously increasing its inventory of war materiel while the U.S. cannot replace its obsolete materiel because many (most?) of the parts needed are manufactured in China and most of the metals are mined in Russia. In recent war games, U.S. military brass says the U. S. will lose a war with Russia, and that the U.S. will lose a war with China. The 80-year history of U.S. military superiority is over, and nobody seems to be paying attention. To point out these facts brands one as a Putin apologist.
War is hell and the Japanese were brutal enemies - ask the Koreans, Chinese and any POW. We had a more powerful weapon of war and we used it. It worked astonishingly well.
I've been a lay student of Hiroshima and Nagasaki since I first learned about them. While the atom bomb is undeniably powerful, we know very little about radiation and after-effects.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki - direct hits - are now large, bustling, modern cities. The genetic deformities of future generations predicted never materialized. I've read nothing about higher cancer rates in their populations. The soil, rocks, surviving buildings don't seem to be giving off poisonous radiation.
Chernobyl appears to be thriving with none of the predicted mutations. Older people who refused to leave their nearby homes were largely unaffected.
What's the condition of the atolls in the Pacific used to test atomic bombs? Where did the radiation from the bombs spread and with what result?
The human body is very resilient - as is all of nature.
It appears that, once again, there's a lot the "experts" don't know and use fear to cover their ignorance. Beyond here there be dragons.
Not suggesting I want to see atomic bombs used in war. Just questioning how much the government has told us about radiation is really true. Maybe nuclear power IS the cheap, clean safe energy solution?
A dear friend grew up on eastern Poland, not far from Chernobyl. She has had a type of cancer for many years. Many in the region she lived in have that cancer and she used to go back to Poland for treatments as they were specialists on treating that strain. Not everyone in her family got the cancer. It seems that some were susceptible to it and some weren’t. Seems like more weren’t than we’re, but to make a short story long, there is a type of cancer that came forth out of the Chernobyl disaster.
You said "Chernobyl appears to be thriving with none of the predicted mutations." THAT IS A LIE. The only reason MORE people weren't killed is that very strong winds just happen to be blowing east to west in largely forested areas for six weeks after the accident. Animal and tree life have returned and are doing quite well. No one knows for sure when that will be, but estimates for man returning to the Chernobyl area are around 150 years.
Tony - you accuse me of lying but go on to agree with my statements.
You say: "Animal and tree life have returned and are doing quite well" so where's the lie?
You say: "...estimates for man returning to the Chernobyl area are around 150 years." based on what? Half-life of atomic particles is measured in thousands of years, not a 150. Nagasaki and Hiroshima were rebuilt and inhabited by humans immediately after the war.
Your comment supports mine rather that proving "THAT IS A LIE". Once again, there's a lot the "experts" don't know so they use fear to cover the gap. Observation is telling us humans and nature are very resilient. How resilient? They - and we - have no idea.
You canNOT compare the bombs of Nagasaki and Hiroshima to what happened at Chernobyl some 40 years later because the A-bombs, thus plutonium, are around 75-100 times more powerful. I said human life, not animal life, was susceptical to the ills of radiation and so I stand by what I said. I do agree with you on one thing you said at the end of your comment. No one has any real idea of what can--and will--happen.
You take the position that in questioning and comparing actual results to the "we're all gonna die and nature will be a wasteland for 1,000 years" assurances from experts that I am somehow advocating that atomic radiation is benign.
Re-read my comments.
I marvel at the resilience of human life and nature whether it's Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Chernobyl or Fukushima. We should know more about the aftermath. Not less. When the quest for knowledge is stopped by a wall of fear, my curiosity is piqued to see what's behind it.
Excellent points I have thought but never penned!
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My Dad was a trained M.D. destined to be in a MASH unit if we had to invade Japan. They understood the U.S. casualties from the invasion could be in the order of 500,000 dead or injured. The Japanese mindset back then was to kill whatever/whenever an enemy was alive as you noted for Iwo Jima, China and their death marches. The second was only necessary because they didn't get the message with #1.
I ask people who go on about the evil of the bombs or wear the f-ing tee shirts why they hate Chinese and Koreans and why they wanted my Daddy dead.
So, what do We the People do in our current war against the DC cartel that has established itself as Public Enemy Number One? We need a new Greatest Generation to fight this evil in our midst. In theory it should be quite easy. There are no beaches to storm but there are towns that must be retaken. Unfortunately, it requires a lot of people to "man up." Where will we find such people? Trump is one. Where are the rest?
True story here.
Sometime in the '80s a Japanese film company wanted to make a comprehensive documentary on this subject. They had access to previously classified documents and one of them was a report created by an army colonel who had been tasked with calculating our likely losses should we invade Japan, and also what we would need to establish an occupation force as had already been done in Germany. He concluded that, due to the inevitable resentments felt by both sides, it would take about a million troops to keep lawful order, and America had neither the resources no the will to do that alone. Consequently, we would have to allow the Soviets to participate, as they manifestly wanted to do, and that would require a partitioning scheme, with a Soviet zone of occupation.
So this film crew tracked down this colonel and interviewed him about his report. They asked him whether, decades after the war, he still stood by his assessment, and he said, "Yes."
At this point they stopped filming and had a huddle, with the interpreter sharing everything that had passed between him and the colonel. After a few minutes he returned to the colonel and said:
"Thank God you dropped the bombs."
Thanks for adding an insight that I had never thought of. The estimates of casualties of an invasion of Japan has been around forever, however, the idea of a partitioned Japan is a new wrinkle. The Soviets grabbed the Kuril Islands as a consequence of their belated declaration of war on Japan, so the idea of a Soviet occupation of a part of Japan is totally believable.
When we had obama in the white house and now with fellow idiot Biden in there, The risk of nuclear war moved out of the realm of possibility to probability. It is true that neither Russia nor China have the ability to have a trans-oceanic invasion of The United States, but with the very real possibility of war with nuclear war being 'likely.' I can't help but wonder how people can buy a missile silo or can think they can survive at sea. As our creator once said "I will find you." I want to know where in the hell are our patriots are. You know, the ones who swore to defend our country from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Enemy #1 is sitting right there in the white house with his hand on the launch codes.
Maybe off the point a bit, but looking at the sanction operation against Russia after it invaded Ukraine, I wondered what if that coalition of nations had organized before Russia invaded and promised immediate sanctions if they invaded. Perhaps some of the sanctions could have been a bit more painful? Would Russia have invaded?
Well, what about Taiwan? If the world agreed and built a powerful, nearly total, coalition with extreme sanctions if China invades Taiwan, would it make them behave? Wouldn't it be worth it to try rather than react to an invasion or some type of blockade? I don't see the downside.
Perhaps this could be done through the UN? Oh....I crack myself up. Hey Sam, where did you put that opium pipe?
Where's Chamberlain when we need peace in our time?
Was Neville getting 10%? Maybe the Free Chinese need to send our national crime family 10%? Who's banging Fang Fang now?
"I don't see the downside." That's because you're a normal, moral person. There is a huge downside for our ruling elites...it kills a major source of income for them. Witness, now, the Ukrainian kickback scheme, managed by their useful idiot, the punk comedian. Meanwhile, We the People are stuck with the tab.
My dad was a corpsman attached to several Navy units in the Pacific campaign. My mother was a lieutenant jg RN who ran one of the Marine Corps amputee wards at Muir Island. My father-in-law was on the Raleigh at Pearl Harbor and earned 3 other battle stars in the Pacific. I could go on and list all the relatives and friends who fought in the Pacific (I knew none who fought the other facists in Europe, strangely) but it would be lengthy. The ferocious fighting ability and fanaticism of the Japanese was something we could not understand but was real and they would have fought to the last. Louis Zafirinni, the great runner who was captured and spent time in Japan as a POW, recalls in his autobiography watching children being drilled on how to fight invaders...with sharpened bamboo sticks. If we would have invaded, scores of millions of Japanese would have died and we would have lost as many as a million casualties. I agree completely that dropping the two bombs saved tens of millions of lives, mostly Japanese. The revisionism is just more anti-American trashing by the left, all of who have very comfortable sinecures in universities and business, and don't ever have to deal with real world issues, just academic ones. Truman would have been guilty of war crimes had he not used the bombs.
Danny Huckabee
Thank you Many today, especially among our educated elite who look down on the atomic bombing of Japan as something horrendous and unforgiveable, are likely who would have rejected the call to duty. You're right in illustrating the horrors that were unleashed upon just one of the many people's whom the Japanese conquered. Estimates of American causalities of an amphibious invasion of Japan then were in the millions. In China, a popular pastime of Japanese soldiers was to decapitate innocent people to see who could run up the greatest tally before tiring. Some fun, eh? After the very "reluctant surrender" of the Japanese the US battleship Missouri steamed into Tokyo harbor along with other support vessels. Having firsthand knowledge of the sinister nature of the Japanese war mind, the conquered enemy was instructed to place white sheets over the artillery guns that were concealed. Lo and behold everyone observing the hillsides were amazed at the vast numbers of guns that an amphibious landing would have faced. Amazing how people can conveniently and SAFELY criticize history with undue righteousness and security. Had your love one's been there, well?
Yep, I can just imagine all them soy boys trying to fight. If we faced that threat now, we would not prevail.
“With the new movie Oppenheimer’s debut last month and the end of the teaching of American history in a positive light, lefties have resurrected the argument against using the A-bomb to end World War II. “
Congratulations, Don. In this one paragraph, using a perfectly clear example, you have exposed the agenda, the method & the means of execution of the commie/commie lite/socialist/leftie agenda.
Crystal clear. Thank you.
On to the ways and means to combat it.