MTG — Marjorie Taylor Greene — is taking some heat for proposing a national divorce. She divorced three days before Christmas after 27 years of marriage. Her tweets on dividing the nation into red and blue have riled up the left, which is always riled up about something. They live to be displeased.
Don, we both live in red states that are losing population. It doesn’t bother me too much that escapees from NY, California, Illinois and Massachusetts are not considering Mississippi as their landing spot.
I wasn’t aware of the New England Federalists. Thanks for the history lesson. I’ll read more about this later today.
Few men may be armed in the blue states, but I believe that is not the case in most red states. Even with large numbers of citizens much like myself who, if they ever owned firearms, lost them in tragic boating accidents, I believe my small county has more weapons then all of the law abiding citizens in New York City.
Very cool! if you click on the TEXT tab on the left you can get the full text of the Resolution, which basically repeats the same point for 2 pages, haha.
I knew that "cohesive" was not a word that would describe the early republic, but I didn't know about that particular incident. Thank you for the history lesson.
MTG is a bit out there, but even being a bit out there, she has more integrity and more understanding of her constituency than most, so I cut her a lot of slack.
I don't know about secession, but I do know that if we're going to last as a republic, we're going to have to reduce the influence of the federal government on the states, both red and blue so that we don't have this icy-road-in-winter effect whenever one or the other party takes slim control of the government and the citizens of the country are being slammed from side to side in the backseat of Uncle Sam's car. The federal government's only role in the beginning was to present a united front to other countries, raise an army to secure our borders, and act as a referee between states. That's it. If we want to survive as a nation, that's what we need to take it back to and let states just be quasi-autonomous. If COVID showed us anything, it was that.
Fabulously stated, but I fear there is no restoring a federal government so constrained – not without violence and bloodshed, anyway. Lincoln's running roughshod over the constitution to forcibly preserve the union all but made that a certainty.
That hot war was started by the south long before Lincoln was sworn in. If the south had remained, the democrats held enough seats to stop any moves the republican party made.
People need to wake up and realize that the war was democrats vs republicans. Northern dems were just as bad as the southern ones but were not concentrated.
What did the people in the south know about Lincoln? Where did they get their information? Figure it out, Lincoln never campaigned in the south. All they knew was what the media of their era told them. Do you really think a dishonest press is a new thing?
"That hot war was started by the south long before Lincoln was sworn in. If the south had remained, the democrats held enough seats to stop any moves the republican party made."
That is true. You are correct to point it out, and correct my understanding. I am clearly in error, here.
I'm a former Minnesotan like you. My earliest arriving relatives got here during the civil war and one of my grandmother's uncles was drafted straight off the boat.
I doubt you have a dog in the fight either.
Republicans in the south were treated bad. Democrats in the north were almost as bad as their southern cousins. General McClellan wanted to surrender. If you have a chance, check out the YouTube video Dugout Doug. It's about MacArthur, but lots of commentary on McClellan.
There is a lot of disinformation about the Civil War, much rewrite of history because democrats controlled Congress during the World Wars. That is why so many posts have confederate names. I don't care, I would say leave it alone, it's old news.
The Northerners had their own version... I owe my soul to the company store.
We most certainly can agreeably disagree. That works well, would be nice if more people could.
Lincoln got there right at the end, so unless you are willing to concede that South Carolina started the war by firing the first shot, you have to decide when something happened in the past that locked us onto the path we ended up going down. The prime candidate was The Southern democrats gutting of the Missouri Compromise - The Kansas Nebraska Act of 1854 pretty much sealed it. Once that happened - we were pretty much going to get to the end. The most amusing thing, and I have said it before - The South used politics to maneuver that bill through. A political victory.
The victory however hardened a response, which created an eventual Republican win for the WH in 1860. Instead of rallying to try and defeat that political victory of the northern Republicans in 1860, the South essentially took their ball and went home, and allowed Lincoln to sucker them into firing the first shot; and continually maneuvered Davis into having to defend slavery to the Europeans, keeping them away from delivering aid. The Southern political leadership was horrible. Unlike their military leadership which was excellent.
My family dates back to pre revolution, they were 2 brothers from Scotland.
One stayed in NC, the other went to Pennsylvania. I'm an Air Force brat. I knew where I came from, but I didn't live in the South until, the early nineties thru today.
Everything I've studied about the Civil War, heavily influenced by my Father, reads like Deja vu, to our present cituation.
The Southern leadership, today, is still lousy. The people, are the same, as well.
We are revenue creators, and our lousy leadership, let's us fill their coffers.
Our type of work, makes the country money, most of the North makes money from the government. Ask yourself, where does the industrial complex preside? Outside of Lockheed, we build military weapons up North. If you think the North isn't armed, you don't live there.
Our fight is not with the general population, because they are us. The same tyrannical liars in Congress, have been leading the US for 7 decades.
Biden's first run for President, was 1980. Because Biden, then, is the same Biden today, The DNC kicked Joe to the curb, he was that bad, he kept running and kept losing, including 2020.
We are a population of free people. That is how we think, live and how we will make decisions. One freedom, we still possess, is the freedom to move. The divorce is already underway by the general population, who are letting their feet do their talking. Southern leadership is losing their criminal power, to populist Americans.
By the the next election, Southern, good ole boy leadership will take it's greatest hit, in my time.
'We the People' aren't messing with divorce, we're just living together, same result, but it keeps the government out of the equation.
This is how we will force a change, back to where a majority of us, want to be.
How about a Constitutional Amendment that limits the ability of the Federal government to do anything that isn't specifically spelled out or prohibited in the Constitution? Things not in Constitution would then be left up to the individual states and we could all vote accordingly with our feet... we could call this Amendment "10" because it so good it rates a 10 on a scale of 1 to 10. Let's see if we can get this passed
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Main thing re: reducing size and impact of U.S. FEDGOV is the bureaucracy and the millions of bureaucrats it employs. Exec Order #10988 was signed by JFK in 1962. That E.O. enabled federal civil service workers to bargain collectively. Since 1962 the communist lawfare lawyers & judges have trickled down the provisions and protections of #10988 to the local dogcatcher level. Government work is organized and unionized: city, county, state, federal. Getting rid of an incompetent bureaucrat can take weeks, months and years.
Richard Trumka, once the thugg communist leader of the United Mine Workers, quit that job and went to work as top thugg for AFSCME. Trumka knew that government work would be the go-go employment sector and boy was he ever right about that. The American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees is the biggest unionized constituency under the AFLCIO umbrella. Even the administrative law judges in FEDGOV are unionized.
So what happens to all those millions of "gainfully employed union workers" if there is a national divorce? Does the Federal Reserve Bank keep printing worthless paper to pay them?
p.s. Richard Trumka's son is the one who dreamed up the notion of doing away with gas-fueled stoves in homes across America. The communists are large and in charge when it comes to day-to-day government operations. They will not go quietly.
Thanks for another very informative column. And your closing picture of a perfectly horrible couple was perfect! While they deserve each other, we don’t deserve them, except for a laugh.
God is judging us; we cannot escape judgment. Either we accept the reproof and return to Him or the judgment continues. Our enemy is not flesh, but powers and principalities. Sowing division is the strategy of our enemy; we shouldn't do his work for him.
If you think 1860 was about a yes/no question, slavery vs freedom, you're missing the point. It was a brand competition between two types of employment. The northern sweatshop system was far more profitable and fun for the owner because he had NO OBLIGATIONS to the workers. The owner was FREE. He got cheap work, and only had to pay for the exact number of minutes the workers were on the machines. He could work them to death and toss the carcasses aside, so he did. The southern owner had a LIFETIME OBLIGATION to the workers. He provided housing and food, and took care of the elderly and children.
The preface to 1860 was carefully laid out by the sweatshop owners ini NYC and Mass. They sponsored colonies in Kansas to spread sweatshop employment. The colonies were armed and prepared to stir up trouble, which they did.
I wasn't going to comment because your national divorce doesn't include my country and I would be commenting on something not in my wheelhouse. But as I was doing some laundry (it can be clarifying), I realized that Canada has been through two divorce attempts in my lifetime involving my province of Quebec both through referendum, which had they been successful, would have given the Quebec government a mandate to negotiate with the federal government in Ottawa to leave Confederation. In 1980 and 1995, the citizens of Quebec voted No both times to remain in Canada. The votes were divisive for Quebec families and for Canadians. The 1995 referendum was won by less than a percentage point by those who wanted to stay in Canada. It was ugly as heck. Minorities were blamed for denying pure laine Quebecois their destiny. Emotions have calmed over time. Now, there is talk of Alberta (western province) wanting to leave Confederation. Many Canadians would now toss Quebec out of Confederation in a heart beat. Canada is a geographically big and unhappy family, too. I don't know what to make of a national divorce in the U.S. Given my experience in Quebec and Canada, a national divorce would be ugly and messy. But if that's what people want, that's the course you will be set upon.
I was living out of province as a student in 1980 and out of province in 1995 as a working journalist. I was in Montreal to help cover 1995 referendum, but I could not vote in the referendum because I didn't have a permanent Quebec address at the time. Oh, and there was voter fraud from the separatist side, which rejected thousands of ballots for flimsy reasons over protests from the other side. That's the only cause of major voter fraud in Canada that I can remember.
Thanks for again providing us with the history lesson. It gives us a good perspective and reinforces the idea of history repeating/rhyming. Slow, then quickly is how I see this continuing to proceed. Voting with our feet is a good start. The primary culprit is the federal government and its overreach. Federalism is the answer, but DC won't give up without a fight. Bring back appointment of Senators by the state legislators so that the legislative branch once again represents the interest of the people (House of Reps) and the states (Senate). Repeal the 17th amendment!
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Learned something as usual, Donny Boy.
I still can't believe my Minny gained people; this will change over the next few years as even though we have robust manufacturing here... The cost of living is becoming unbearable and we have a communist government; the govt is only a few seats to the left but our governor loves the China model and our SecState is buds with Marc Elias - The governor will not be a republican anytime soon due to ballot harvesting in our metro areas.
Beware everyone, you are set to lose money again with the federal W-4 changes. I have claimed '0' status and have never paid in at the end of the year. Never. Until now. $3,000 wasn't in our budget. Fun.
My beloved, former home state of Minnesota...I once wept for it, but can no longer. I enjoy my adopted home state of Texas too much to be very engaged with the goings-on, there...
Explains Hanson brother... If you know of ANYONE in Texas that needs mechanical engineers please comment here and we can work email's... I am on Linkedin for reference. Myself, my son, and son-in-law - all mechanicals - are looking to leave as fast as we can. Have a great day!
Oh... The governor and his communist clan are doing much worse than that, they are working in CRT through administrative 'law' rather than the legislature. Good news is our school boards in rural areas are resisting it. Believe me, I am NOT retiring here.
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We have much the same dynamic playing out in NZ. The northern, eastern and central North Island Maori Tribes continually flirt with the idea of secession, home rule, separate government, whatever. Currently they are pushing for co governance as they hope to get it all. Heh. Then they would end up fighting each other as they did in the nineteenth century.
Meanwhile the rabid leftists and greenies in Wellington want centralised government. One set of bureaucrats to rule us all.
In the background we have rumbling from conservative voices that want a national divorce, South Island from the North Island.
Personally I moved to the South Island when I retired. Best decision I could have made.
Given freedom people will move to wherever they perceive their best interests lie.
The details may vary between countries but the dynamics remain the same.
Don, we both live in red states that are losing population. It doesn’t bother me too much that escapees from NY, California, Illinois and Massachusetts are not considering Mississippi as their landing spot.
I wasn’t aware of the New England Federalists. Thanks for the history lesson. I’ll read more about this later today.
Few men may be armed in the blue states, but I believe that is not the case in most red states. Even with large numbers of citizens much like myself who, if they ever owned firearms, lost them in tragic boating accidents, I believe my small county has more weapons then all of the law abiding citizens in New York City.
Ironically between boating accidents and unreported thefts, 400M firearms suddenly disappeared, yet, politicians finally solved the assault weapon problem.
It has just occurred to me...we may have a national boating problem.
No, thank you
Those boating accidents have become quite frequent.
Texas has reported a slew of them.
https://capitol.texas.gov/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=88R&Bill=HCR54
It's a tragedy.
Very cool! if you click on the TEXT tab on the left you can get the full text of the Resolution, which basically repeats the same point for 2 pages, haha.
Awesome!!!! Yet tragic.
I knew that "cohesive" was not a word that would describe the early republic, but I didn't know about that particular incident. Thank you for the history lesson.
MTG is a bit out there, but even being a bit out there, she has more integrity and more understanding of her constituency than most, so I cut her a lot of slack.
I don't know about secession, but I do know that if we're going to last as a republic, we're going to have to reduce the influence of the federal government on the states, both red and blue so that we don't have this icy-road-in-winter effect whenever one or the other party takes slim control of the government and the citizens of the country are being slammed from side to side in the backseat of Uncle Sam's car. The federal government's only role in the beginning was to present a united front to other countries, raise an army to secure our borders, and act as a referee between states. That's it. If we want to survive as a nation, that's what we need to take it back to and let states just be quasi-autonomous. If COVID showed us anything, it was that.
Fabulously stated, but I fear there is no restoring a federal government so constrained – not without violence and bloodshed, anyway. Lincoln's running roughshod over the constitution to forcibly preserve the union all but made that a certainty.
I fear you're probably right.
If you would substitute Wilson for Lincoln, I'd be willing to listen to you. Lincoln had his issues - but he was fighting a hot war at the time.
We can agree to disagree in an agreeable manner, though I would respectfully point out the hot war that Lincoln was fighting was one he started.
Regardless, you need not listen to me.
That hot war was started by the south long before Lincoln was sworn in. If the south had remained, the democrats held enough seats to stop any moves the republican party made.
People need to wake up and realize that the war was democrats vs republicans. Northern dems were just as bad as the southern ones but were not concentrated.
What did the people in the south know about Lincoln? Where did they get their information? Figure it out, Lincoln never campaigned in the south. All they knew was what the media of their era told them. Do you really think a dishonest press is a new thing?
"That hot war was started by the south long before Lincoln was sworn in. If the south had remained, the democrats held enough seats to stop any moves the republican party made."
That is true. You are correct to point it out, and correct my understanding. I am clearly in error, here.
"Do you really think a dishonest press is a new thing?"
Touché! No, it most certainly is not! Such is as old as the Republic, itself!
I'm a former Minnesotan like you. My earliest arriving relatives got here during the civil war and one of my grandmother's uncles was drafted straight off the boat.
I doubt you have a dog in the fight either.
Republicans in the south were treated bad. Democrats in the north were almost as bad as their southern cousins. General McClellan wanted to surrender. If you have a chance, check out the YouTube video Dugout Doug. It's about MacArthur, but lots of commentary on McClellan.
There is a lot of disinformation about the Civil War, much rewrite of history because democrats controlled Congress during the World Wars. That is why so many posts have confederate names. I don't care, I would say leave it alone, it's old news.
The Northerners had their own version... I owe my soul to the company store.
We most certainly can agreeably disagree. That works well, would be nice if more people could.
Lincoln got there right at the end, so unless you are willing to concede that South Carolina started the war by firing the first shot, you have to decide when something happened in the past that locked us onto the path we ended up going down. The prime candidate was The Southern democrats gutting of the Missouri Compromise - The Kansas Nebraska Act of 1854 pretty much sealed it. Once that happened - we were pretty much going to get to the end. The most amusing thing, and I have said it before - The South used politics to maneuver that bill through. A political victory.
The victory however hardened a response, which created an eventual Republican win for the WH in 1860. Instead of rallying to try and defeat that political victory of the northern Republicans in 1860, the South essentially took their ball and went home, and allowed Lincoln to sucker them into firing the first shot; and continually maneuvered Davis into having to defend slavery to the Europeans, keeping them away from delivering aid. The Southern political leadership was horrible. Unlike their military leadership which was excellent.
"...would be nice if more people could."
Not to boast, but I believe that seems to be true almost exclusively of us on this side of the political aisle.
Yeah, pretty much, I think that is something we can agreeably agree on.
My family dates back to pre revolution, they were 2 brothers from Scotland.
One stayed in NC, the other went to Pennsylvania. I'm an Air Force brat. I knew where I came from, but I didn't live in the South until, the early nineties thru today.
Everything I've studied about the Civil War, heavily influenced by my Father, reads like Deja vu, to our present cituation.
The Southern leadership, today, is still lousy. The people, are the same, as well.
We are revenue creators, and our lousy leadership, let's us fill their coffers.
Our type of work, makes the country money, most of the North makes money from the government. Ask yourself, where does the industrial complex preside? Outside of Lockheed, we build military weapons up North. If you think the North isn't armed, you don't live there.
Our fight is not with the general population, because they are us. The same tyrannical liars in Congress, have been leading the US for 7 decades.
Biden's first run for President, was 1980. Because Biden, then, is the same Biden today, The DNC kicked Joe to the curb, he was that bad, he kept running and kept losing, including 2020.
We are a population of free people. That is how we think, live and how we will make decisions. One freedom, we still possess, is the freedom to move. The divorce is already underway by the general population, who are letting their feet do their talking. Southern leadership is losing their criminal power, to populist Americans.
By the the next election, Southern, good ole boy leadership will take it's greatest hit, in my time.
'We the People' aren't messing with divorce, we're just living together, same result, but it keeps the government out of the equation.
This is how we will force a change, back to where a majority of us, want to be.
A Constitutional Republic.
How about a Constitutional Amendment that limits the ability of the Federal government to do anything that isn't specifically spelled out or prohibited in the Constitution? Things not in Constitution would then be left up to the individual states and we could all vote accordingly with our feet... we could call this Amendment "10" because it so good it rates a 10 on a scale of 1 to 10. Let's see if we can get this passed
There will never be another amendment. Too much dissension to get to agreement.
Yes, though I do think Alito has discovered the 10th Amendment recently.
Main thing re: reducing size and impact of U.S. FEDGOV is the bureaucracy and the millions of bureaucrats it employs. Exec Order #10988 was signed by JFK in 1962. That E.O. enabled federal civil service workers to bargain collectively. Since 1962 the communist lawfare lawyers & judges have trickled down the provisions and protections of #10988 to the local dogcatcher level. Government work is organized and unionized: city, county, state, federal. Getting rid of an incompetent bureaucrat can take weeks, months and years.
Richard Trumka, once the thugg communist leader of the United Mine Workers, quit that job and went to work as top thugg for AFSCME. Trumka knew that government work would be the go-go employment sector and boy was he ever right about that. The American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees is the biggest unionized constituency under the AFLCIO umbrella. Even the administrative law judges in FEDGOV are unionized.
So what happens to all those millions of "gainfully employed union workers" if there is a national divorce? Does the Federal Reserve Bank keep printing worthless paper to pay them?
p.s. Richard Trumka's son is the one who dreamed up the notion of doing away with gas-fueled stoves in homes across America. The communists are large and in charge when it comes to day-to-day government operations. They will not go quietly.
No, they will not go at all. They will keep trying as they destroy what is good around them and kill millions more.
Thanks for another very informative column. And your closing picture of a perfectly horrible couple was perfect! While they deserve each other, we don’t deserve them, except for a laugh.
She would take him to Sweden. Or whatever. He would have no say in the matter. They would hopefully talk each other into oblivion
That photo is great. I love ❤️ the expression on "Greta's" face. Woof!
Like most divorces, this one would be far from peaceful.
God is judging us; we cannot escape judgment. Either we accept the reproof and return to Him or the judgment continues. Our enemy is not flesh, but powers and principalities. Sowing division is the strategy of our enemy; we shouldn't do his work for him.
If you think 1860 was about a yes/no question, slavery vs freedom, you're missing the point. It was a brand competition between two types of employment. The northern sweatshop system was far more profitable and fun for the owner because he had NO OBLIGATIONS to the workers. The owner was FREE. He got cheap work, and only had to pay for the exact number of minutes the workers were on the machines. He could work them to death and toss the carcasses aside, so he did. The southern owner had a LIFETIME OBLIGATION to the workers. He provided housing and food, and took care of the elderly and children.
The preface to 1860 was carefully laid out by the sweatshop owners ini NYC and Mass. They sponsored colonies in Kansas to spread sweatshop employment. The colonies were armed and prepared to stir up trouble, which they did.
http://polistrasmill.blogspot.com/2017/11/reprinting-andersons-manifesto.html
I wasn't going to comment because your national divorce doesn't include my country and I would be commenting on something not in my wheelhouse. But as I was doing some laundry (it can be clarifying), I realized that Canada has been through two divorce attempts in my lifetime involving my province of Quebec both through referendum, which had they been successful, would have given the Quebec government a mandate to negotiate with the federal government in Ottawa to leave Confederation. In 1980 and 1995, the citizens of Quebec voted No both times to remain in Canada. The votes were divisive for Quebec families and for Canadians. The 1995 referendum was won by less than a percentage point by those who wanted to stay in Canada. It was ugly as heck. Minorities were blamed for denying pure laine Quebecois their destiny. Emotions have calmed over time. Now, there is talk of Alberta (western province) wanting to leave Confederation. Many Canadians would now toss Quebec out of Confederation in a heart beat. Canada is a geographically big and unhappy family, too. I don't know what to make of a national divorce in the U.S. Given my experience in Quebec and Canada, a national divorce would be ugly and messy. But if that's what people want, that's the course you will be set upon.
I was living out of province as a student in 1980 and out of province in 1995 as a working journalist. I was in Montreal to help cover 1995 referendum, but I could not vote in the referendum because I didn't have a permanent Quebec address at the time. Oh, and there was voter fraud from the separatist side, which rejected thousands of ballots for flimsy reasons over protests from the other side. That's the only cause of major voter fraud in Canada that I can remember.
Speaking as someone who enjoys doing business with people in Alberta, I’d welcome this Province as the great state of Alberta.
Interesting.
I remember when all the liberals ran away to Canada to escape viet nam.
Thanks for again providing us with the history lesson. It gives us a good perspective and reinforces the idea of history repeating/rhyming. Slow, then quickly is how I see this continuing to proceed. Voting with our feet is a good start. The primary culprit is the federal government and its overreach. Federalism is the answer, but DC won't give up without a fight. Bring back appointment of Senators by the state legislators so that the legislative branch once again represents the interest of the people (House of Reps) and the states (Senate). Repeal the 17th amendment!
Learned something as usual, Donny Boy.
I still can't believe my Minny gained people; this will change over the next few years as even though we have robust manufacturing here... The cost of living is becoming unbearable and we have a communist government; the govt is only a few seats to the left but our governor loves the China model and our SecState is buds with Marc Elias - The governor will not be a republican anytime soon due to ballot harvesting in our metro areas.
Beware everyone, you are set to lose money again with the federal W-4 changes. I have claimed '0' status and have never paid in at the end of the year. Never. Until now. $3,000 wasn't in our budget. Fun.
My beloved, former home state of Minnesota...I once wept for it, but can no longer. I enjoy my adopted home state of Texas too much to be very engaged with the goings-on, there...
Explains Hanson brother... If you know of ANYONE in Texas that needs mechanical engineers please comment here and we can work email's... I am on Linkedin for reference. Myself, my son, and son-in-law - all mechanicals - are looking to leave as fast as we can. Have a great day!
Worse news Danny - I read where they are trying to force through ranked voting in MN. If that happens, welcome to California north.
Oh... The governor and his communist clan are doing much worse than that, they are working in CRT through administrative 'law' rather than the legislature. Good news is our school boards in rural areas are resisting it. Believe me, I am NOT retiring here.
Texas would love to have you, here!
I seem to recall a state that successfully succeeded
Actually, I think there were two.
And one Lincoln wouldn't let because he wanted to keep Tennessee. The Lost State of Franklin.
We have much the same dynamic playing out in NZ. The northern, eastern and central North Island Maori Tribes continually flirt with the idea of secession, home rule, separate government, whatever. Currently they are pushing for co governance as they hope to get it all. Heh. Then they would end up fighting each other as they did in the nineteenth century.
Meanwhile the rabid leftists and greenies in Wellington want centralised government. One set of bureaucrats to rule us all.
In the background we have rumbling from conservative voices that want a national divorce, South Island from the North Island.
Personally I moved to the South Island when I retired. Best decision I could have made.
Given freedom people will move to wherever they perceive their best interests lie.
The details may vary between countries but the dynamics remain the same.
Central government wants more and more power.
The regions want more independence.
Both need each other.
It will work out.
Interesting to hear about New Zealand from you, like with LuAnn above about Canada.
As a lifelong inmate of NYS, I’m not ready to leave.
Everyone to their own choice. In other words, don't think like a progressive.
"As a lifelong inmate of NYS, I’m not ready to leave."
???
How about a Trump - MTG ticket?
I'll pass