All of this Gender bullshit and the downstream tragedies that were the result of it can be laid at the feet of bathhouse barry in an attempt to validate mike and’ fundamentally change American Society’
There I said it and I’m glad I said it.
Make Hanging in the Public Square for Treason Great Again!
He also ushered in same sex marriage after he had his puppet, Pedo Joe, make the first move for him because he was too much of a coward to do it himself.
In what rathole is she hanging out these days? Remember how Big Mike blew up when Barry told Jarrett to move in with them in 2017? I guess BM objected to having to share Jarret with anyone else...
Again! Vocabulary is important. there is no such thing as Transitioning. you cannot change your DNA you are either male or female. You may however mutilate your body and call yourself the opposite sex, but I suggest that those fantasies be left to adults and more age appropriate fantasies that do not include irreversible mutilations be offered to children. If you can wait until you are 21 to have a drink, you can wait until then to cut off body parts. Please let's stop pretending there is a nice way to describe this.
Right. And if you’re that batshit crazy pay for it yourself. Don’t demand we all pay for it. Remember, insurance Medicaid Medicare is our money it ain’t free money from the unicorns
Look for center mass of most of the problems we have in this country and you find that scumbag, Obama. He’s the worst thing that ever happened to this nation.
Maybe... Looks like Joe is too old and feeble to be prosecuted. I told you guys this would happen. Next phase is the insertion of Michelle. Barry will get another bite of the apple.
My theory is, most of these people are gay, but gay is no longer a 'victim' group so the next logical step to get the attention they crave is to declare "I'm trans!". It seems none of these advocates ever question why so few black, Hispanic or Asian kids are so afflicted.
Yes, and also seems to be a status symbol with teenagers. Like being "cool" in the 60's by railing against the "man". As smoking weed in the 70's was the in thing -- now it's mutilating ones body. Trouble with this though there is no going back.
Amen, EODMom. @Wiki: A mental health disorder in which a caregiver creates the appearance of health problems in another person, typically their child. (Factitious. I love this new-to-me word I just learned.)
In the future, should there be one, people will look back on the trannie madness and its surgical/chemical mutilation of mentally confused children and adolescents as the sick, perverse tragedy it is. The shame of it is that few, or more likely none of those who championed this farcical yet tragic episode will be held accountable. Sure, there may be some money changing hands, most of which will go into the pockets of the shysters chasing those ambulances but personal responsibility will be avoided. The hospitals and "medical" practitioners" (using "medical" in the sense that Dr. Mengele was a "medical" practitioner) will tap their insurance policies for the loot initially, and when the money starts to run out, they will resort to paying what's left to politicians who will pass "medical malpractice reform" immunizing them against further personal financial liability. It happened before and will happen again.
I agree and that SHOULD be a scandal but the wretched politicians and media & "organized medicine"(puke) will bury it as deep as they can. Money will change hands but the practitioners belong in jail & they know it. I hope they BURY Boston Children's, they are some truly sick people.
Wonder what the true percentage of children who went through this surgery now regret it. 95%? And this POS Pamela Paul now hedging against her own mental illness is pathetic. F her and all the scum who continue to advocate the robbing of a child's innocence.
95% is certainly the % of individuals with life long medical problems they haven’t begun to cope with. 25 years ago or more Johns Hopkins stopped doing this range of surgery on adults because the subsequent rate of suicide was so high. Adults. Now it’s children sentenced to life long pain and disfigurement without helping real mental health problems.
Just goes to show everything today is about the Benjamins. The lying, cheating and stealing. The corruption, the Swamp, the politician, lobbyists, big pharma, big tech, the military complex. Everything is traceable to the graft.
Doesn’t WPATH stand for Weird path? Or wrong path? In Boy Scouts, after they had won a SCOTUS decision that they didn’t have to admit gays (the pre-Robert’s era), we had Trumps 1st SOS, WEF Global leader of non-Green XOM, REX Tillerson, destroy Scouting by admitting gay Scout Leaders. What could go wrong? How many young men had scouting helped get through puberty, girls and what am I good at? In that tumultuous period of maturing? Camping, hiking, trips to beautiful parts of our country never seen by youngsters…..now teens have Tik Tock and video games….much better, eh?
In our family we have one family of husband, wife, two sons. The males are ALL EAGLE SCOUTS... and are well adjusted, conservative, Americans. Boy Scouts Rule !!!
Did you ever hear of Camp Boxwell? It is on the glide path over Nashville airport. It is considered to be the center of local BSA history. My brother went there as a youth. He flew jets from a carrier for a living. Retired after VN.
To say that I am f-in furious with many of my younger colleagues and the medical societies promoting this "transgender" lunacy is to seriously understate the case. I only practiced medicine for forty years and was trained back when Responsibility - with a capital "R" was drilled and bolted onto a doctor's forehead, so - full disclaimer - I may not be a good source of opinion on this matter.
Yes, it's like your Mommy said: it's all fun and games until the lawsuits start. Something like that ... But that begs the question of Where Are The Doctors, and why did they ever let this become a Thing? This is not complicated: sex (not gender; nouns have gender, people are of a certain sex) is not "assigned at birth," as the medical whores like to say. Sex is determined - and that word has a very specific scientific meaning - at conception nine months earlier and is set by chromosomes in every nucleated cell in the body. Cutting off outies or trying to surgically make innies alters one's sex not one whit. You'd just as well cut off your arm, start saying "Arrrrrrr! and call yourself Long John Silver. Not since they banned lobotomies have medicos tried to treat mental illness with surgery. That is, until now. Sometimes I wonder which side of the couch the greater mental illness lies.
People ask me why I go through all the recurrent training and CMEs in retirement to maintain my West Virginia and Virginia licenses. The sad fact is that I do it to protect my friends and family from my colleagues.
Here is an off topic comment I posted elsewhere: I have a superpower. It is called cross-examination. If Biden was charged, the last thing the prosecutor would need to worry about was how Biden would present to a jury, because Biden would never testify. Biden’s handlers can’t risk the chance of actual cross-examination. If Biden was charged he would resign before trial.
fathers need to get involved in their daughters lives and let them know that taylor swift is a useless biped. not even an average roll model and certainly not someone teenage girls should emulate.
however fathers will do no such thing. here in america women own the narratives and no father will be allowed inside the inner sanctum of feminist ideology unless he is simping for the mother.
i assure you over on american thinker i will get lit up by a couple of 'conservative' women who spend more time defending feminism than conservative values.
I loved the movies and the TV series about Davy Crockett. I was in about 5th or 6th grade, and it was a very popular show. Our next door neighbor had been tapped for a part in the movie, and he packed his family up and moved to Hollywood before anyone knew how weird that geographic epicenter could be. Oh gimme dat 'coon skin cap! I was a tomboy then, and wore jeans and sneakers and an ungirly haircut.* My college age brother took one look at me on a visit home and marched me into a beauty salon and told them to make me look like a girl! I tried to dislodge a tick of irony from this profound statement: "Better to have a live daughter than a dead son, right?" I'm beginning to wonder why the Nashville Police Department will not, or cannot, release the yammering "manifesto" of the transgender murderer of children and educators of a certain Christian school here. I discovered the 247 varieties of the common tick and gave up trying. SOC-8 is exactly like Best Practice, or TQA, as defined by a business intent on inventing a problem and then solving it by stuffing a square peg into a round hole. Even if pigs can't fly now, maybe they will before this entire planet swings out of orbit. (*If anyone thought I was trying to look like a boy, it would not have been true. I just wanted to be like Davy Crockett--irrespective of gender.)
Totally understand, Lawsy--I once was Ilya Kuryakin (The Man From U.N.C.L.E. ) for Halloween. Had nothing to do with gender, just thought it would be really cool to be a Secret Agent! Had short blond hair, wore all black and had a shoulder holster.
Like Joe Rogan opined, “if someone thinks they are actually of the opposite sex, why do they need to take hormone treatments”? Sorry for denting his exact words. This article was very telling. The outrage by the “journalism staff” of the NYT was so stunning. By linking it to “equity and inclusion” it tells you everything you need to know about their biases. But I may not have the same opinion about any credit that should be given to the Times as Don does. I’m just not that charitable to people who seek to control me these days. But it is utterly clear that the NYT sees itself as an elitist organization and their writings make clear they believe they are a sort of final authority on all issues. We continue to see organizations such as this seek to rewrite the Constitution and the literal meaning our language today. That the courts seem to follow in lockstep is troubling and a sign of things to come. Sadly, the media has become so powerful today but not in the way it was traditionally expected. But much of their power is due to people becoming less questioning about what they read and hear and far too willing to go along with definitions that are obviously twisted or in error simply because they align with the persons social views. It seems odd to me that in an era of “everyone is a subject matter expert” why the mental health community is not openly speaking out on the trans issue. The “global warming experts” certainly are and have been. Why is there a lack of discussion, both pro and con, from the shrinks of the world??
The majority, not all, but the majority of people who inhabit the so-called “mental health community” are some of the most F’d up people you could find grouped together anywhere else.
Something that happened rather 'under the radar', was that in the last 5+ years, many, if not most, states have passed laws forbidding psychologists, counselors, etc. to engage in "gender conversion therapy". I believe most people took that phrase to mean the type of forcible, even abusive, marine-boot-camp style aggressive conversion therapy, and that therefore possibly the laws had some merit. But it's another case of most folks giving a more innocent interpretation to things which turn out to not be so innocent.
Those same laws also said therapists could engage in supporting a patient in whatever gender identity the patient felt they were, but therapists were NOT allowed to counsel a patient against the gender identity the patient had chosen. And most importantly, these laws had teeth--the therapists could lose their license to practice. I believe that is why you hear crickets from the mental health professionals field. The licensing laws were used to enforce conformity on this subject.
There has been pushback now, as this is all no longer "under the radar". The pushback laws have upheld the therapist's individual right of conscience to counsel in accordance with their own belief system.
At the core of all this is Society's persistent assumption that psychologists, counselors, therapists, and such-like are legitimate, scientifically-based "professionals". With a few exceptions, they are not. Instead they are leeches on the body of the medical profession, whose jargon they abuse to impress the gullible. And that racket was started by Freud the Fraud in the late 1800s, when people were just as likely to buy into weird belief systems as they are today.
The few exceptions to that rule are those independent thinkers who made it through their "professional" indoctrination without selling their souls. Jordan Peterson is one, as was Carl Jung, Erich Fromm, and Thomas Szasz.
Agree, Wim. There are some genuine, insightful, and effective psychologists (I have one in my extended family and another who is a close friend). They contribute alot.
But as a field, there are some problems. As you say, theoretically they are "scientifically-based professionals". Yet, for the most part, none of them can state what the actual premises are of their system, which to me, shows it is not scientifically based-- it is based on a fluctuating vague consensus. It's a field with a shaky foundation. Also, as a country, we are spending billions on "mental health care", but no one ever looks at what the "cure" rate is. They are not accountable for results-- they get paid based on "services provided", not outcomes achieved. I suspect the "results" are overall mediocre at best. But again, there are also some outstanding therapists out there. Though I think in some cases, what they're doing is more overlapping with a ministerial / spiritual function.
I'm glad to see that we largely agree, and you make several valid points besides. The only thing I would add is that the psycho-cult has substituted politics for science, and I say that because their method of identifying (or inventing) new "Disorders" to include in their notorious -- to me, anyway -- Diagnostic Manual is by voting, a purely political method; not a scientific one. That was how homosexuality went from being a disorder in an older edition of the Manual to a mere "orientation" or "identity"; and in a reverse process, possibly to preclude shrinkage of the profitable Manual, confused teenage girls were classified as having a "gender disorder", which was basically a radical feminist fairy tale dressed up in semi-scientific psychobabble.
Agree. That's why I'm very skeptical of these "red flag" gun laws-- where they can confiscate a person's guns if a 'mental health professional' deems the person unstable or whatever. It's just so subjective. You can easily see that being abused, as there's too much talk on the Left about Republicans being extremist, dangerous, etc.
An aside, those "red flag" laws may be another example where we innocently acknowledge that they might be useful to keep guns out of the hands of a genuine schizo; but on the underlying level, the intent of the laws is not innocent at all. It's very likely those laws are INTENDED to be used to label one's political enemies as unfit and as grounds to confiscate their guns.
The Left has really drenched us in alot of BS that as normal, innocent people we have not been savvy enough to realize at the time what they were doing.
Wow. They couldnt do their job and use their expert training to attempt to “fix” these people and help them to see their problem. Another law twisted to subvert medicine. The people who write these laws are just evil.
Yep, "fixing" implies there's a problem, that something needs to be fixed. That is offensive, hateful. Therapists are only permitted to endorse, support, or affirm the chosen gender orientation and/or identity.
My point exactly. They aren't doing their job. They simply play word games and pretend nothing has changed but in reality they are not helping their patient, they are merely enabling them. That's sick.
I won't pretend a man is really a woman, just as I won't pretend to hear the voices in a schizophrenic's head.
What we have learned in past 4 years is that the medical community is NOT TO BE TRUSTED!! Covid, covid Vax, vaccines in general and hiding adverse reactions, autism, and now this bullshit.
The industry has gone from the most trusted to a notch above politicians, because that's what they are.
It seems more likely to me that the "industry" has lived through waves of high respect, alternating with troughs of popular doubt and disdain -- and whether either extreme was deserved or just could fill many books. You have to bear in mind that for quite a long time in the past, doctors doubled as barbers, or vice-versa, and although very gradually the incipient medical profession gained respect, not all of it was deserved: consider that George Washington died prematurely at the hands of his doctor, who was still applying the "bleeding" hoax to our unfortunate Founding Father.
Do keep in mind here that talking about reputation does not mean a wholesale denial of the utility of medicine; that would be very foolish. But when you consider past medical catastrophes -- the bloodletting craze I already mentioned, the widespread use of mercury, arsenic, cocaine and opium, thalidomide, lobotomies, Covid ... it pays to be skeptical, and not rush in where angels fear to tread.
Yes, dear, there should be fewer medically and socially sexually disrupted people treated as important role models in society. And even fewer should have access to children. Think of the disdain the West has for the Chinese practise of foot binding. This is a worse magnitude of torture and disfigurement of a whole tranche of American children, not for the purpose of perceived beauty, but for profit. It’s barbaric.
The transgender movement will fail because of failed expectations. Imagine going into a surgery thinking that you’re going to look like Heidi Klum when you come out however, when you wake up and look in the mirror, what you see is Kathy Griffin. That is the best case scenario for the poor souls who are going through this at this time.
The surgeries will be limited by litigation in this country, forcing most of the gender dysphoria crowd to seek care in Mexico
All of this Gender bullshit and the downstream tragedies that were the result of it can be laid at the feet of bathhouse barry in an attempt to validate mike and’ fundamentally change American Society’
There I said it and I’m glad I said it.
Make Hanging in the Public Square for Treason Great Again!
He also ushered in same sex marriage after he had his puppet, Pedo Joe, make the first move for him because he was too much of a coward to do it himself.
He and his handler Jarrett are responsible for all of it.
All Treason!
In what rathole is she hanging out these days? Remember how Big Mike blew up when Barry told Jarrett to move in with them in 2017? I guess BM objected to having to share Jarret with anyone else...
I'm glad you said that, too. Hooray for our side.
Dr Josef Mengele was an rank amateur compared to today’s “Medical Community”.
Wouldn’t want to be them come Judgement Day.
I don’t need the government telling me who I have to tolerate. We don’t need special laws for anybody. The original 10 Commandments work quite well.
Again! Vocabulary is important. there is no such thing as Transitioning. you cannot change your DNA you are either male or female. You may however mutilate your body and call yourself the opposite sex, but I suggest that those fantasies be left to adults and more age appropriate fantasies that do not include irreversible mutilations be offered to children. If you can wait until you are 21 to have a drink, you can wait until then to cut off body parts. Please let's stop pretending there is a nice way to describe this.
Right. And if you’re that batshit crazy pay for it yourself. Don’t demand we all pay for it. Remember, insurance Medicaid Medicare is our money it ain’t free money from the unicorns
Instead of saying TRANSITIONING, we should say IMAGINING
How about: "GETTING CARRIED AWAY"?
Or better yet: "LOSING IT"?
Perfection Shrugged.
Look for center mass of most of the problems we have in this country and you find that scumbag, Obama. He’s the worst thing that ever happened to this nation.
Maybe... Looks like Joe is too old and feeble to be prosecuted. I told you guys this would happen. Next phase is the insertion of Michelle. Barry will get another bite of the apple.
My theory is, most of these people are gay, but gay is no longer a 'victim' group so the next logical step to get the attention they crave is to declare "I'm trans!". It seems none of these advocates ever question why so few black, Hispanic or Asian kids are so afflicted.
Yes, and also seems to be a status symbol with teenagers. Like being "cool" in the 60's by railing against the "man". As smoking weed in the 70's was the in thing -- now it's mutilating ones body. Trouble with this though there is no going back.
From my observations, they are people desperately seeking attention. "Look at me!"
Look at the mothers of many of these confused, abused children. They are the ones saying “look at me!”
Munchausen syndrome by proxy?
It looks that way to me. Very sad.
You ID'd it correctly.
Good point. Some of these kids are confused because of their parents.
Not confused: groomed and manipulated.
Amen, EODMom. @Wiki: A mental health disorder in which a caregiver creates the appearance of health problems in another person, typically their child. (Factitious. I love this new-to-me word I just learned.)
My gay friends think it's crazy.
My brother is gay, has been with his partner over 40 years. They just shake their heads at the trans-insanity...their words.
My son....hates this garbage.
And the tranny zealots hate your gay friends. Say, didn't this all start out in the 1960s with the "love-ins"?
In the future, should there be one, people will look back on the trannie madness and its surgical/chemical mutilation of mentally confused children and adolescents as the sick, perverse tragedy it is. The shame of it is that few, or more likely none of those who championed this farcical yet tragic episode will be held accountable. Sure, there may be some money changing hands, most of which will go into the pockets of the shysters chasing those ambulances but personal responsibility will be avoided. The hospitals and "medical" practitioners" (using "medical" in the sense that Dr. Mengele was a "medical" practitioner) will tap their insurance policies for the loot initially, and when the money starts to run out, they will resort to paying what's left to politicians who will pass "medical malpractice reform" immunizing them against further personal financial liability. It happened before and will happen again.
I agree and that SHOULD be a scandal but the wretched politicians and media & "organized medicine"(puke) will bury it as deep as they can. Money will change hands but the practitioners belong in jail & they know it. I hope they BURY Boston Children's, they are some truly sick people.
Wonder what the true percentage of children who went through this surgery now regret it. 95%? And this POS Pamela Paul now hedging against her own mental illness is pathetic. F her and all the scum who continue to advocate the robbing of a child's innocence.
95% is certainly the % of individuals with life long medical problems they haven’t begun to cope with. 25 years ago or more Johns Hopkins stopped doing this range of surgery on adults because the subsequent rate of suicide was so high. Adults. Now it’s children sentenced to life long pain and disfigurement without helping real mental health problems.
Just goes to show everything today is about the Benjamins. The lying, cheating and stealing. The corruption, the Swamp, the politician, lobbyists, big pharma, big tech, the military complex. Everything is traceable to the graft.
Money is said to be the root of all evil.
If only it were not for the LOVE of money, aka filthy lucre, aka Benjamins!
“The LOVE of money” is the actual quote, which imputes personal responsibility for such sin.
Doesn’t WPATH stand for Weird path? Or wrong path? In Boy Scouts, after they had won a SCOTUS decision that they didn’t have to admit gays (the pre-Robert’s era), we had Trumps 1st SOS, WEF Global leader of non-Green XOM, REX Tillerson, destroy Scouting by admitting gay Scout Leaders. What could go wrong? How many young men had scouting helped get through puberty, girls and what am I good at? In that tumultuous period of maturing? Camping, hiking, trips to beautiful parts of our country never seen by youngsters…..now teens have Tik Tock and video games….much better, eh?
In our family we have one family of husband, wife, two sons. The males are ALL EAGLE SCOUTS... and are well adjusted, conservative, Americans. Boy Scouts Rule !!!
Did you ever hear of Camp Boxwell? It is on the glide path over Nashville airport. It is considered to be the center of local BSA history. My brother went there as a youth. He flew jets from a carrier for a living. Retired after VN.
To say that I am f-in furious with many of my younger colleagues and the medical societies promoting this "transgender" lunacy is to seriously understate the case. I only practiced medicine for forty years and was trained back when Responsibility - with a capital "R" was drilled and bolted onto a doctor's forehead, so - full disclaimer - I may not be a good source of opinion on this matter.
Yes, it's like your Mommy said: it's all fun and games until the lawsuits start. Something like that ... But that begs the question of Where Are The Doctors, and why did they ever let this become a Thing? This is not complicated: sex (not gender; nouns have gender, people are of a certain sex) is not "assigned at birth," as the medical whores like to say. Sex is determined - and that word has a very specific scientific meaning - at conception nine months earlier and is set by chromosomes in every nucleated cell in the body. Cutting off outies or trying to surgically make innies alters one's sex not one whit. You'd just as well cut off your arm, start saying "Arrrrrrr! and call yourself Long John Silver. Not since they banned lobotomies have medicos tried to treat mental illness with surgery. That is, until now. Sometimes I wonder which side of the couch the greater mental illness lies.
People ask me why I go through all the recurrent training and CMEs in retirement to maintain my West Virginia and Virginia licenses. The sad fact is that I do it to protect my friends and family from my colleagues.
Here is an off topic comment I posted elsewhere: I have a superpower. It is called cross-examination. If Biden was charged, the last thing the prosecutor would need to worry about was how Biden would present to a jury, because Biden would never testify. Biden’s handlers can’t risk the chance of actual cross-examination. If Biden was charged he would resign before trial.
Good point. It is clear that Biden is held to a double standard; that is no standard at all; he is immune to prosecution.
Good idea!
I don't quite follow this. How would resigning exempt Biden from testifying? I would think it would raise the odds.
fathers need to get involved in their daughters lives and let them know that taylor swift is a useless biped. not even an average roll model and certainly not someone teenage girls should emulate.
however fathers will do no such thing. here in america women own the narratives and no father will be allowed inside the inner sanctum of feminist ideology unless he is simping for the mother.
Hard to argue with logic.
thanks!
i assure you over on american thinker i will get lit up by a couple of 'conservative' women who spend more time defending feminism than conservative values.
Indeed, but a lot of us have your back!!
respects.
I loved the movies and the TV series about Davy Crockett. I was in about 5th or 6th grade, and it was a very popular show. Our next door neighbor had been tapped for a part in the movie, and he packed his family up and moved to Hollywood before anyone knew how weird that geographic epicenter could be. Oh gimme dat 'coon skin cap! I was a tomboy then, and wore jeans and sneakers and an ungirly haircut.* My college age brother took one look at me on a visit home and marched me into a beauty salon and told them to make me look like a girl! I tried to dislodge a tick of irony from this profound statement: "Better to have a live daughter than a dead son, right?" I'm beginning to wonder why the Nashville Police Department will not, or cannot, release the yammering "manifesto" of the transgender murderer of children and educators of a certain Christian school here. I discovered the 247 varieties of the common tick and gave up trying. SOC-8 is exactly like Best Practice, or TQA, as defined by a business intent on inventing a problem and then solving it by stuffing a square peg into a round hole. Even if pigs can't fly now, maybe they will before this entire planet swings out of orbit. (*If anyone thought I was trying to look like a boy, it would not have been true. I just wanted to be like Davy Crockett--irrespective of gender.)
Totally understand, Lawsy--I once was Ilya Kuryakin (The Man From U.N.C.L.E. ) for Halloween. Had nothing to do with gender, just thought it would be really cool to be a Secret Agent! Had short blond hair, wore all black and had a shoulder holster.
Like Joe Rogan opined, “if someone thinks they are actually of the opposite sex, why do they need to take hormone treatments”? Sorry for denting his exact words. This article was very telling. The outrage by the “journalism staff” of the NYT was so stunning. By linking it to “equity and inclusion” it tells you everything you need to know about their biases. But I may not have the same opinion about any credit that should be given to the Times as Don does. I’m just not that charitable to people who seek to control me these days. But it is utterly clear that the NYT sees itself as an elitist organization and their writings make clear they believe they are a sort of final authority on all issues. We continue to see organizations such as this seek to rewrite the Constitution and the literal meaning our language today. That the courts seem to follow in lockstep is troubling and a sign of things to come. Sadly, the media has become so powerful today but not in the way it was traditionally expected. But much of their power is due to people becoming less questioning about what they read and hear and far too willing to go along with definitions that are obviously twisted or in error simply because they align with the persons social views. It seems odd to me that in an era of “everyone is a subject matter expert” why the mental health community is not openly speaking out on the trans issue. The “global warming experts” certainly are and have been. Why is there a lack of discussion, both pro and con, from the shrinks of the world??
The majority, not all, but the majority of people who inhabit the so-called “mental health community” are some of the most F’d up people you could find grouped together anywhere else.
Oh! With the possible exception of the entire Biden Administration!
Amen Suzie.
Something that happened rather 'under the radar', was that in the last 5+ years, many, if not most, states have passed laws forbidding psychologists, counselors, etc. to engage in "gender conversion therapy". I believe most people took that phrase to mean the type of forcible, even abusive, marine-boot-camp style aggressive conversion therapy, and that therefore possibly the laws had some merit. But it's another case of most folks giving a more innocent interpretation to things which turn out to not be so innocent.
Those same laws also said therapists could engage in supporting a patient in whatever gender identity the patient felt they were, but therapists were NOT allowed to counsel a patient against the gender identity the patient had chosen. And most importantly, these laws had teeth--the therapists could lose their license to practice. I believe that is why you hear crickets from the mental health professionals field. The licensing laws were used to enforce conformity on this subject.
There has been pushback now, as this is all no longer "under the radar". The pushback laws have upheld the therapist's individual right of conscience to counsel in accordance with their own belief system.
At the core of all this is Society's persistent assumption that psychologists, counselors, therapists, and such-like are legitimate, scientifically-based "professionals". With a few exceptions, they are not. Instead they are leeches on the body of the medical profession, whose jargon they abuse to impress the gullible. And that racket was started by Freud the Fraud in the late 1800s, when people were just as likely to buy into weird belief systems as they are today.
The few exceptions to that rule are those independent thinkers who made it through their "professional" indoctrination without selling their souls. Jordan Peterson is one, as was Carl Jung, Erich Fromm, and Thomas Szasz.
Agree, Wim. There are some genuine, insightful, and effective psychologists (I have one in my extended family and another who is a close friend). They contribute alot.
But as a field, there are some problems. As you say, theoretically they are "scientifically-based professionals". Yet, for the most part, none of them can state what the actual premises are of their system, which to me, shows it is not scientifically based-- it is based on a fluctuating vague consensus. It's a field with a shaky foundation. Also, as a country, we are spending billions on "mental health care", but no one ever looks at what the "cure" rate is. They are not accountable for results-- they get paid based on "services provided", not outcomes achieved. I suspect the "results" are overall mediocre at best. But again, there are also some outstanding therapists out there. Though I think in some cases, what they're doing is more overlapping with a ministerial / spiritual function.
I'm glad to see that we largely agree, and you make several valid points besides. The only thing I would add is that the psycho-cult has substituted politics for science, and I say that because their method of identifying (or inventing) new "Disorders" to include in their notorious -- to me, anyway -- Diagnostic Manual is by voting, a purely political method; not a scientific one. That was how homosexuality went from being a disorder in an older edition of the Manual to a mere "orientation" or "identity"; and in a reverse process, possibly to preclude shrinkage of the profitable Manual, confused teenage girls were classified as having a "gender disorder", which was basically a radical feminist fairy tale dressed up in semi-scientific psychobabble.
Agree. That's why I'm very skeptical of these "red flag" gun laws-- where they can confiscate a person's guns if a 'mental health professional' deems the person unstable or whatever. It's just so subjective. You can easily see that being abused, as there's too much talk on the Left about Republicans being extremist, dangerous, etc.
An aside, those "red flag" laws may be another example where we innocently acknowledge that they might be useful to keep guns out of the hands of a genuine schizo; but on the underlying level, the intent of the laws is not innocent at all. It's very likely those laws are INTENDED to be used to label one's political enemies as unfit and as grounds to confiscate their guns.
The Left has really drenched us in alot of BS that as normal, innocent people we have not been savvy enough to realize at the time what they were doing.
I fear you are right TPG.
The majority of these folks also probably feel humans can change the global climates.
It's part of the same syndrome: God doesn't exist, therefore we people need to be God.
Wow. They couldnt do their job and use their expert training to attempt to “fix” these people and help them to see their problem. Another law twisted to subvert medicine. The people who write these laws are just evil.
Yep, "fixing" implies there's a problem, that something needs to be fixed. That is offensive, hateful. Therapists are only permitted to endorse, support, or affirm the chosen gender orientation and/or identity.
My point exactly. They aren't doing their job. They simply play word games and pretend nothing has changed but in reality they are not helping their patient, they are merely enabling them. That's sick.
You get sent to a reeducation camp like Jordan Peterson for "wrong think"...
Why? Because, as Adorable states above, it’s all about the Benjamins.
Society shouldn't appease the mentally ill.
I won't pretend a man is really a woman, just as I won't pretend to hear the voices in a schizophrenic's head.
What we have learned in past 4 years is that the medical community is NOT TO BE TRUSTED!! Covid, covid Vax, vaccines in general and hiding adverse reactions, autism, and now this bullshit.
The industry has gone from the most trusted to a notch above politicians, because that's what they are.
It seems more likely to me that the "industry" has lived through waves of high respect, alternating with troughs of popular doubt and disdain -- and whether either extreme was deserved or just could fill many books. You have to bear in mind that for quite a long time in the past, doctors doubled as barbers, or vice-versa, and although very gradually the incipient medical profession gained respect, not all of it was deserved: consider that George Washington died prematurely at the hands of his doctor, who was still applying the "bleeding" hoax to our unfortunate Founding Father.
Do keep in mind here that talking about reputation does not mean a wholesale denial of the utility of medicine; that would be very foolish. But when you consider past medical catastrophes -- the bloodletting craze I already mentioned, the widespread use of mercury, arsenic, cocaine and opium, thalidomide, lobotomies, Covid ... it pays to be skeptical, and not rush in where angels fear to tread.
Yes, dear, there should be fewer medically and socially sexually disrupted people treated as important role models in society. And even fewer should have access to children. Think of the disdain the West has for the Chinese practise of foot binding. This is a worse magnitude of torture and disfigurement of a whole tranche of American children, not for the purpose of perceived beauty, but for profit. It’s barbaric.
The transgender movement will fail because of failed expectations. Imagine going into a surgery thinking that you’re going to look like Heidi Klum when you come out however, when you wake up and look in the mirror, what you see is Kathy Griffin. That is the best case scenario for the poor souls who are going through this at this time.
The surgeries will be limited by litigation in this country, forcing most of the gender dysphoria crowd to seek care in Mexico