Fox surrendered to Dominion Voting Systems without a fight in a libel lawsuit, abandoning the media’s ability to lie about public officials and institutions by claiming an absence of malice. The Supreme Court’s NYT v. Sullivan ruling was a license to lie that never was intended by our Founding Fathers who kept and protected libel laws.
All very good points. Even our local station carries liberal water even in its weather reporting (climate change, anybody?) I live next to an extremely blue city. I do not pay to watch Fox News .
Apr 20, 2023·edited Apr 20, 2023Liked by Don Surber
You have so many good pieces, Don... This is the most important to date imho.
"I may be a sucker but I am not that sucker. I never watch Fox."
I haven't watched or listened since 2016 after I voted for Cruz in the primary and immediately realized my mistake.
This 'settlement' made questioning elections forbidden, which, they already were. Now it is weaponized which is what the media wants - now they don't even have to entertain it.
My favorite news source is you. You have replaced over $100 a month newspaper and magazine subscriptions. I like reading your blog early and silently while my Alzheimer's stricken wife is still sleeping while I enjoy my first coffee, like today.
I also am addicted to political humor and history. You have both in your blog.
I'm a lifetime extreme night owl and 75 years old. Since I was in 2nd grade I stealthily watched Jack Paar, Steve Allen, Johnny Carson, and in the morning Dave Garrowsy. Very late in life we cut out all network and switched to YouTube for Greg Gutfield along with massive and thoughtful Planet Tryrus and cutie pie, sharp tongued and tiny Kat Timpf. Greg is now #1 in ratings and King of Late Night. A blog about him would be fascinating.
Apr 20, 2023·edited Apr 20, 2023Liked by Don Surber
All of this bullshit is going to continue until we take matters into our own hands. Please understand that this isn’t a call for a ‘Hot’ civil war but if ‘We’ don’t do something and soon nothing is going to change, and worse yet anything we hold dear and near to our hearts and minds today will only be corrupted by tomorrow.
I have not watched Fox since 2020. Haven’t watched the network news for several decades. Get my news from Poca man and Citizen Free Press. Watch Christian programming on YouTube. Our country is in a very sad state of affairs!
OH WHAT A TANGLED WEB WE WEAVE WHEN AT FIRST WE TRY TO DECEIVE. Fox should have stuck to its guns (So should have Donald Trump, for that matter). Especially in light of what happened in Arizona with Kari Lake being robbed. I just can't get myself to believe in all these liberal 'coincidences.' The advantages I have in no longer owning a TV. I no longer instantly get PO'd.
This settlement proves to me even more that the deep state uniparty exists and they've conspired to steal our country thru fraud. Ballot harvesting = ballot manufacturing.
Motor voter and more auto registrations give them the database they need to account for the fake votes they feed into the machines.
and the Dominion machine algorithms adjust vote totals for their desired outcomes.
This trial and discovery could have uncovered a lot of the obvious fraud. A settlement sweeps everything under the rug
Fox News is part of the dog and pony show that is modern politics. They are there to distract from the regime, which Paul Ryan is part and parcel of. They are not going to address the very real problems with the election, but then in a system where you only have two parties and those parties act more like corporations than parties, democracy is also a joke. (If there's one thing I wish Trump acolytes would learn it's that the problems did not start with Trump; you just noticed them then because you cared.)
I watch "Cucker Tarlson," and I have no problem with him disliking Trump. He never fawned over him and I'm Trump ambivalent myself. I voted for him twice. He exposed a lot that a cynic like me had figured out, but the complacent on the right didn't and it woke them up. But he also did a lot that, even if I'm being generous and think he was naive, rather than ascribing some sort of "trojan horse" motive, leave me convinced he hasn't learned a thing and his second term would be pretty much like his first, which is to say a lot of wasted opportunity.
As for "settling" the lawsuit . . . it has still done damage to precedent. We now can hold news outlets responsible for what *guests* say on shows. Good luck with that one MSNBC, CNN, NYTs, etc.
Apr 20, 2023·edited Apr 20, 2023Liked by Don Surber
"'Shortly after the agreement was reached, Fox said it was “hopeful that our decision to resolve this dispute with Dominion amicably, instead of the acrimony of a divisive trial, allows the country to move forward from these issues."'"
Huh? Clearly, FauxNews thinks itself galactically more important than it is, in reality. It is a little surprising that Christy Wallace hasn't been welcomed back.
"Watch Fox if you want but I will drink Bud Light before I do. And I haven’t had a beer since 1987."
Thanks, but I'll pass. Even if you DO drink a Bud Light, you still won't be drinking beer.
I’m with revmaddog. Don Surber is my favorite news source. However, I appreciate that Fox News & Fox Business exist because without them there would be NO major media outlet representing “our side” even if they are Disney lite and mostly imperfect. I, too, am mostly imperfect.
Imagine Murdoch's long time enemies in Britain (those still alive) who are gloating because Murdoch setting Wapping and sacked the newspaper unions (1980s; and succeeded): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wapping_dispute
On a side note: Microsoft 11 is a DISASTER. Let me count the ways...
No human is perfect, Trump included. All the rest strike me as magnitudes worse in the areas of ethics, morality, honesty, accomplishment, and human compassion. Why should I waste my quality time remaining (QTR) listening to a bunch a bloviators - in and out of government - or having paid off government or news - try to spread their junk around public airwaves. I will vote for The Donald and I ignore all that noise from those air heads fumbling their wares out there.
I find Tucker intellectually interesting and his topics appeal to me far more than anything Hannity or Ingraham put out. At some point, though, he will be asked to leave Fox.
Fox is now CNN lite. Its 2020 election night coverage was awful and biased and it showed how the network no longer had any use for Trump. Yes, since Ailes left the network has abandoned its mission. The Murdoch boys (and their father) and Paul Ryan have seen to that. So other options and competitors will take over. That's what a free market does.
And, yes, American libel laws need to be overhauled. You can lie about a politician if there is an absence of malice. Bloody unlikely.
I do not watch any tv news broadcast. I'm way too busy watching reruns of "Leave it to Beaver" , "The Donna Reed Show", and "Gunsmoke"
All very good points. Even our local station carries liberal water even in its weather reporting (climate change, anybody?) I live next to an extremely blue city. I do not pay to watch Fox News .
You have so many good pieces, Don... This is the most important to date imho.
"I may be a sucker but I am not that sucker. I never watch Fox."
I haven't watched or listened since 2016 after I voted for Cruz in the primary and immediately realized my mistake.
This 'settlement' made questioning elections forbidden, which, they already were. Now it is weaponized which is what the media wants - now they don't even have to entertain it.
My favorite news source is you. You have replaced over $100 a month newspaper and magazine subscriptions. I like reading your blog early and silently while my Alzheimer's stricken wife is still sleeping while I enjoy my first coffee, like today.
I also am addicted to political humor and history. You have both in your blog.
I'm a lifetime extreme night owl and 75 years old. Since I was in 2nd grade I stealthily watched Jack Paar, Steve Allen, Johnny Carson, and in the morning Dave Garrowsy. Very late in life we cut out all network and switched to YouTube for Greg Gutfield along with massive and thoughtful Planet Tryrus and cutie pie, sharp tongued and tiny Kat Timpf. Greg is now #1 in ratings and King of Late Night. A blog about him would be fascinating.
Carry on!
All of this bullshit is going to continue until we take matters into our own hands. Please understand that this isn’t a call for a ‘Hot’ civil war but if ‘We’ don’t do something and soon nothing is going to change, and worse yet anything we hold dear and near to our hearts and minds today will only be corrupted by tomorrow.
I have not watched Fox since 2020. Haven’t watched the network news for several decades. Get my news from Poca man and Citizen Free Press. Watch Christian programming on YouTube. Our country is in a very sad state of affairs!
OH WHAT A TANGLED WEB WE WEAVE WHEN AT FIRST WE TRY TO DECEIVE. Fox should have stuck to its guns (So should have Donald Trump, for that matter). Especially in light of what happened in Arizona with Kari Lake being robbed. I just can't get myself to believe in all these liberal 'coincidences.' The advantages I have in no longer owning a TV. I no longer instantly get PO'd.
This settlement proves to me even more that the deep state uniparty exists and they've conspired to steal our country thru fraud. Ballot harvesting = ballot manufacturing.
Motor voter and more auto registrations give them the database they need to account for the fake votes they feed into the machines.
and the Dominion machine algorithms adjust vote totals for their desired outcomes.
This trial and discovery could have uncovered a lot of the obvious fraud. A settlement sweeps everything under the rug
Fox News is part of the dog and pony show that is modern politics. They are there to distract from the regime, which Paul Ryan is part and parcel of. They are not going to address the very real problems with the election, but then in a system where you only have two parties and those parties act more like corporations than parties, democracy is also a joke. (If there's one thing I wish Trump acolytes would learn it's that the problems did not start with Trump; you just noticed them then because you cared.)
I watch "Cucker Tarlson," and I have no problem with him disliking Trump. He never fawned over him and I'm Trump ambivalent myself. I voted for him twice. He exposed a lot that a cynic like me had figured out, but the complacent on the right didn't and it woke them up. But he also did a lot that, even if I'm being generous and think he was naive, rather than ascribing some sort of "trojan horse" motive, leave me convinced he hasn't learned a thing and his second term would be pretty much like his first, which is to say a lot of wasted opportunity.
As for "settling" the lawsuit . . . it has still done damage to precedent. We now can hold news outlets responsible for what *guests* say on shows. Good luck with that one MSNBC, CNN, NYTs, etc.
What do you expect from a company run by Mitt Romney’s running mate?
Woke to the sound of my bunny Rabbits munching food in their hutch. Outside my window. Rather listen to that than Fox. Never again. Great post, Don.
"'Shortly after the agreement was reached, Fox said it was “hopeful that our decision to resolve this dispute with Dominion amicably, instead of the acrimony of a divisive trial, allows the country to move forward from these issues."'"
Huh? Clearly, FauxNews thinks itself galactically more important than it is, in reality. It is a little surprising that Christy Wallace hasn't been welcomed back.
"Watch Fox if you want but I will drink Bud Light before I do. And I haven’t had a beer since 1987."
Thanks, but I'll pass. Even if you DO drink a Bud Light, you still won't be drinking beer.
I’m with revmaddog. Don Surber is my favorite news source. However, I appreciate that Fox News & Fox Business exist because without them there would be NO major media outlet representing “our side” even if they are Disney lite and mostly imperfect. I, too, am mostly imperfect.
Imagine Murdoch's long time enemies in Britain (those still alive) who are gloating because Murdoch setting Wapping and sacked the newspaper unions (1980s; and succeeded): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wapping_dispute
On a side note: Microsoft 11 is a DISASTER. Let me count the ways...
No human is perfect, Trump included. All the rest strike me as magnitudes worse in the areas of ethics, morality, honesty, accomplishment, and human compassion. Why should I waste my quality time remaining (QTR) listening to a bunch a bloviators - in and out of government - or having paid off government or news - try to spread their junk around public airwaves. I will vote for The Donald and I ignore all that noise from those air heads fumbling their wares out there.
I still watch Fox because I want to know what is going on, even if it's from a perspective that I don't often like these days. I only watch Tucker and Gutfeld. Tucker has since walked backed his texts about hating Trump and explained why he said that. True or not true, his excuse and reasons are at this link: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/tucker-carlson-backtracks-private-texts-saying-hates-trump-love-trump-rcna76056. Readers can decide for themselves.
I find Tucker intellectually interesting and his topics appeal to me far more than anything Hannity or Ingraham put out. At some point, though, he will be asked to leave Fox.
Fox is now CNN lite. Its 2020 election night coverage was awful and biased and it showed how the network no longer had any use for Trump. Yes, since Ailes left the network has abandoned its mission. The Murdoch boys (and their father) and Paul Ryan have seen to that. So other options and competitors will take over. That's what a free market does.
And, yes, American libel laws need to be overhauled. You can lie about a politician if there is an absence of malice. Bloody unlikely.