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James Wills's avatar

Ever been in bankruptcy? Know somebody who has, or has had a spouse ruin their finances and managed to make a comeback?

It's not easy. Firstly, you got into that corner by overspending - and much of that with borrowed money, which means you were living high-on-the-hog for a long time, accumulating not only debt and interest, but comfort with that lifestyle.

The problem is that everything is paid-for - everything - at some time, by some-body. If you are going to pull yourself out, that means that you will have to live a long while BELOW your means; on top of that you have the additional cost of interest.

That is where we are now. Some of Congress' profligacy we've paid ourselves through inflation and inflation's theft of money we saved. Two thousand dollars now? A pittance. But in 1971, when Nixon abandoned the gold standard, it paid for almost an entire year at WVU, including room and board. Ask me how I know.

A lot of people, including us MAGA types, think that somehow election of The Orange Man is going to herald the Millennium. Maybe so - eventually. But for right now we have to get our house in order, and that means paying our way out of debt. It won't be pretty.

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Lloyd Garnett's avatar

BOOM!

Jim Wills is exactly right.

It will not only be ugly, but a desperate fight.

We are talking about a counter revolution against legions of entrenched potentates and special interests in every public, private and especially “public-private” institution in the country and many, abroad.

They are not going to yield because MAGA makes sense, is legally correct and especially, not because MAGA offers a return to Liberty and prosperity for The People. Liberty and prosperity are threats to our would be oppressors.

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Cookie McCall's avatar

That's why I applaud the yeoman's work being done by DOGE and all of the department heads who Trump has tasked with being the decision makers for which people and departments need to be cut.

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Lawsy0's avatar

Our state government had a RIF while I was working there. I wanted to take the offer, but the boss discouraged me from doing so by calling what I do "essential services." That was right after 9/11 and before another damaging tornado hit our downtown area.

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No's avatar

Yes, only I started a big Real Estate project under one set of government rules, and once everything was signed and sealed, the government changed the rules.

Was like we had the best beach volleyball team, but when we went to the game we were in the Superbowl against the Patriots when Brady and Gronk were young. We got flushed.

Trump himself only barely survived that crisis. Because he was lucky enough to owe he banks so much they had to rewrite him or die. We little people got devoured by the sharks.

Fuck the government workers!

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Brian LeMay's avatar

What gets me is how could the government workers not see this coming ? All Debts get paid , just maybe not always by the right person .

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No's avatar

When you spend your workday at the beach, you don't think too far ahead to begin with. Wake up call!

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Adorable Deplorable's avatar

Think Musk knows this better than Trump.

Trump trying to get the government back on the track of original intent. Nothing can be accomplished without starting here.

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Sheila Barkofske's avatar

This whole thing is a crapshoot. When you get to the point that the original object of the game is unimportant, you have no option but destruction. The only question is can the fallout be managed. Probably not, but if the Titanic is going down, I want to be in Trump’s lifeboat.

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Greg's avatar

There’s no coincidence between the public debt and the richest retired generation in the history of the world.

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Larry B's avatar

You are a my and an I away from being in 'My Cousin Vinny'!

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Adorable Deplorable's avatar

We could always cut through the BS and just follow the money. Money buys votes. Votes buy Unions. Unions buy politicians. There is no better example of this incestuous relationship than Grub'mint Unions.

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Shrugged's avatar

You just defined the source - and ownership - of ANTIFA and BLM.

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Mitchell Moore's avatar

Shut it down. And do not pay federal workers who do not work during the shutdown.

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Damn the torpedoes's avatar

Actually, when they deem themselves non-essential, all you have to do is send them a DOGE-gram—don’t come back.

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Greg's avatar

There’s a law that say required payment of salaries.

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Dutchmn007's avatar

Figures. Precise reason they never should have been allowed to unionize to begin with. Even that total piece of crap FDR realized this. Another pox on the House of JFK to add to his - already immense - problems now in the hereafter.

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Reddog's avatar

There are statues that actually refer to this. Government is the final arbiter of all labor disputes so how can government then allow itself to be unionized? Conflict, big time.

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Playswithneedles's avatar

Fine. Give them their back pay. Then fire them. Problem solved.

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Reddog's avatar

They do get paid. No one loses anything. All hyperbole.

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Brian LeMay's avatar

Time to change the law , no work no pay . It's time to apply this requirement to all levels of government .

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Lawsy0's avatar

I was a doubting Thomasina, but found my own state's stack of regulations; "The Wage Regulations Act protects wage earners from unfair practices regarding pay. This section discusses the following: breaks and meal periods, fringe benefits, sex discrimination, final paychecks, payday regulations, and deductions." From TN.gov. I'll nevva evva doubt you again. But, if wages were a liquid, they could've paid me with an eye-dropper!

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Steve (recovering lawyer)'s avatar

Under the Department of (Mis)education, the country's collective IQ has dropped by a measurable amount. (Intelligence, May-June 2024 issue: "Cognitive abilities declined between 2006 and 2018 across three of four broad domains of intelligence, the study found.") Since 2008 (i.e., under Obama/Biden), the national debt rose from Ten Trillion to Thirty-six Trillion Dollars. I could go on, but why bother? The news is equally bad everywhere the federal government has poked its nose into. The growth of "jobs" (laughably so called) in government on every level is about the only job growth that has been seen for the past two decades, and that is nothing more than everybody doing each others' laundry, adding nothing whatsoever of value to the economy. Leviathan has grown exponentially, demanding more and more of its citizens' finances. It is the goal of the democrat party (that has been captured by communists and other assorted left wing political activists) to eliminate private enterprise and force everyone to work for the government and thereby become dependent on it for their sustenance. Marxism/Leninism is the motivating philosophy of the democrat party. Or perhaps they have taken Mussolini's maxim to heart: Everything in the state; everything for the state; nothing outside the state. And yet they pretend to want the best for the country? It is to laugh! They want the best for themselves and the rest of us can go hang. If anyone supports the democrat party, which includes casting a ballot for any democrat politician, they are supporting the demise of our country and deserve nothing but disdain. I am loathe to have come to this conclusion, but there is no alternative. We are in a battle for our survival and the outcome is yet hanging in the balance. I support the efforts of President Trump and all in his administration, including especially our very unexpected and unlikely hero, Elon Musk. If you want the country to survive; if you want your children and grandchildren to have a decent life in a place that can still be described as "The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave," you should-you must-do likewise.

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MartyB's avatar

“…can still be described as the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave?” With all due respect, Steve, we might have our final chance to return to deserve that phrase, but 52 days into PDJT’s 2nd term in office a lot of dominos are going to have to fall his/our way. And they’re going to have to land hard upon a lot of the kind of people that give lawyers and politicians the bad names they’ve so rightfully earned.

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Lawsy0's avatar

(As I was sitting in my chair, I saw a man who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today. I wish to He77 he'd go away.) And take Wikipedia with him. Wiki started doing our thinking for us but only if we let it.

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Lloyd Garnett's avatar

BOOM! BOOM!

What the Recovering Lawyer said.

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Sheila Barkofske's avatar

The reading level criteria is an interesting one. As McMahon said it is not just the ability to read, but the ability to read in order to think.

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Wim de Vriend's avatar

It's been many years since I first read the works of the late, great C. Northcote Parkinson; if any readers are unacquainted with them, I continue to recommend them as the freshest, most illuminating, most entertaining views of bureaucracy. Here is just one: “That people should live by reading each other’s memoranda is regarded, in official circles, as perfectly natural ...”

C. Northcote Parkinson: ‘The Law of Delay’, 1972, 10.

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TeaPartyGal's avatar

There's always been that feeling that there's something truly soul-crushing to have to be a bureaucrat. I know some people can feel very purpose-driven within a government framework--such as Elon and his crew, all our new Cabinet members, etc. But these people are not there to settle in for the long run--they want to accomplish their purpose and then go.

There's that old question, would you take a job that paid $1 million a year, if your job was to to move a stack of boxes from one corner of a large room over to the other corner, and then move it back again; and then move it again from one corner of the room, and then back again, over, and over, and over, for a year. A job that has absolutely no purpose and accomplishes absolutely nothing. And you won't be able to avoid facing that truth every day. And you had to agree to a 5 year minimum. At the end you would have $5 million. Would you do it?

There are surely some genuinely excellent federal workers, but they are probably hamstrung in trying to get anything done because of all the deadweight. The good workers should thank Trump for getting rid of the deadweight. And the deadweight workers who are let go should also thank Trump, because they have been saved from wasting their precious life on earth on non-purposeful things.

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Lawsy0's avatar

Maybe, if afterward I could, and without recourse, cuss out the King

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Suzie's avatar

👍

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Greg's avatar

Brilliant. Shutdown the government to essential workers only. ESSENTIAL WORKERS ONLY!

There! Now we clearly understand what is needed and what can be cut. No guessing.

Bye bye.

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Roaring Chicken's avatar

There are at least two reasons for the reduction in IQ over that 12 year period:

The immigration of people with IQs below the US average.

The dramatic increase of non-english speaking children into our schools contributes twice - they don't learn as well, and our english speaking children are taught at a slower pace to accommodate the non-english speakers.

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Wim de Vriend's avatar

And who decides which ones are essential, and how? If you let the unions have a say, they will claim that any cuts at all will cause the sun not to rise tomorrow. And as a result of any such cuts, they will predict: "DEMOCRACY Dies in Darkness". And a lot of people will believe that garbage.

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telephoneman's avatar

I that term.

Democracy thrives in darkness.. hence censorship, only wise to your information

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Lawsy0's avatar

True, but only on the WaPo since 2017.

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Shrugged's avatar

If I were Elon Musk, I'd hold a press conference after the shutdown and say, "We are at essential workers status, which is the baseline - the starting point - of DOGE. Anyone added to the workforce from here must be justified with cost-benefit analysis for the total cost of employing them. Thanks for speeding up the process of doing the job of DOGE. Have a nice day, and by the way, the DOGE bonus for all Americans has just multiplied many times."

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Greg's avatar

Perfect

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William Coulter's avatar

Dems hatred of Trump is something to behold.

What was bad is now good and what was good is now bad.

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Lloyd Garnett's avatar

Biblical.

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Lawsy0's avatar

So I chased it down for the KJV quote: Isiah 5:20. Did my old heart good to see it in print.

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Jake's avatar

The possibility of not knowing or feeling that the government is actually shut down is zero for most people. Shutting down the government might be the final nail in the DNC's coffin. Let's hope so. Getting a little tired of listening to purple haired harridans.

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darrell's avatar

Now everyone must understand this: They are simply cutting off all the limbs on the DOE. If Trump and Elon don't come back later this fall and cut the truck down then dig up the roots and spray a fungicide that prevents sprouting this is going to be all for nothing. We'll be right back to this same spot a decade from now.

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Wim de Vriend's avatar

Cutting down the trunk might work better.

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Lloyd Garnett's avatar

That’s right. It won’t last unless the People are given the information they need to clearly assess the threat.

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Shrugged's avatar

"When a military family loses a loved one serving on active duty, they are entitled to a lump sum payment that constitutes a small and partial measure of our nation’s gratitude for that service member’s ultimate sacrifice. However, during a government shutdown, the Department of Defense cannot make these payments."

It's called a 'Death Gratuity', which sounds like the government is paying a tip to a waiter instead of offering a memoriam to a fallen soldier. It's a $100,000 tax-free payment for a family member's life (son, daughter, mom, or dad).

We're supposed to feel guilty because Congress didn't kick the can down the road to keep the government open so we can continue to pay for American human sacrifices at the alter of our military industrial complex. NO! Chuck U Schumer and Everett B Kelley should be the faces of this travesty to our military families.

Perhaps the best outcome of DOGE would be to convince Congress to pass a law that makes it illegal for our government to run on short-term allowances called Continuing Resolutions - that are abused by the political lunatics of both parties in DC.

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Jake's avatar

Been thinking that DC salaries should be frozen until the National Debt is gone. They've contributed a lot to this mess and should help pay for it. If they don't like it, they can always leave.

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Suzie's avatar

Excellent idea.

At the very least, they should all get a SUBSTANTIAL haircut.

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telephoneman's avatar

was $10,000 when I served, which came out of my paycheck (insurance policy)

1976-1989, never saw combat praise God

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james garrett's avatar

We have two political parties; the Liars and the Cowards. Democrats are all Liars. Republicans are uniformly Cowards. In all battles, the Liars always defeat the Cowards. Sadly, the only question today is “how long until the Republicans surrender.”

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Shrugged's avatar

When you use the generic term 'Republicans', I only picture the legacy GOP, which comprises the RINO class today. As their name implies, they are Democrats at heart.

It is long past time for the republican party to go away. I would say this before the election on this comment board (Trump should start a third party) and it was always soundly rejected by others. Perhaps the timing before the election was wrong, but it isn't wrong now.

I still stand by that belief. End the Republican party once and for all. There is no question that Trump has created a new animal. It needs a name and an identity that departs dramatically from the GOP.

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Wim de Vriend's avatar

You could say the same thing about the Democrat party, if not more so.

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Shrugged's avatar

Perhaps, but the deeper the Democrats dig their hole, the more defectors come to Trump (not the Republican party per se). Let their party suffer their own identity crisis.

I think true conservatives should depart the Republican party to keep it's new identity pure. It also will challenge those RINOs in Congress to have to choose, and when they do, we hold their feet to the fire for consistency in their behavior and voting.

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Lawsy0's avatar

DNC is symbolized by the donkey, aka, Ass. Stubborn. And probably a few other traits.

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telephoneman's avatar

I pray routinely for that outcome.. Glory to God

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David Cashion's avatar

If Trump tries to rename the Republican party the Democrats will sue to stop him.

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Shrugged's avatar

No re-naming necessary. Start a third party that captures the essence of MAGA. The Republican party disses it. Half the Republicans in Congress oppose most of Trump's agenda. They want a John Boehner House and a Mitch McConnell Senate forever.

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TeaPartyGal's avatar

Re-naming is the only way to go. "Starting a 3rd party" from scratch is an absolutely gigantic and hugely expensive administrative project, you don't just set it up nationally, you have to set up 50 additional administrative structures in all the states. Knowledge base about 50 states voter registration and activity level; filing processes and deadlines; real estate; lawyers; banking; on and on and on.

Trump has his hands full fixing the federal government. Can't dilute his efforts with establishing a 3rd party. Trump is on track to permanently destroy the RINO's. He has already done that work. Now he deserves to own and re-name the Party. Not start from scratch and try to build a new one, leaving the former Republican party still in place with all that administrative structure and financial assets to combat Trump's new 3rd party.

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David Cashion's avatar

Trump changed my mind on that.

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Lawsy0's avatar

GOP symbol is the Elephant. Huge, slow and said to Never Forget.

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Dutchmn007's avatar

“Kelley is Sheriff Bart holding himself hostage in Blazing Saddles.”

More like Barney Fife from “The Andy Griffith Show”; a total rube, sham, & total joke of a human being. Probably the most important goal in this DOGE realignment is for these bureaucrats to learn - once & for all - their place in the pecking order. They serve @ the pleasure of both the people & the Chief Executive, not the other way around. In other words, they need to be put in their place & brought to heel.

Let their humiliation begin.

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Cookie McCall's avatar

I always liked ole Barn even if he was a big of a doofus , he was kind hearted

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imkitty's avatar

'As the Office of Education continued to expand, President Carter signed a 1979 bill that re-established a federal education department. It began operating in May 1980, yet controversy around it remained in the years that followed. For example, President Ronald Reagan had shared his plans to dismantle the department.

'“By eliminating the Department of Education less than two years after it was created,” Reagan said in 1981, “we cannot only reduce the budget but ensure that local needs and preferences, rather than the wishes of Washington, determine the education of our children.”

'Ultimately, Reagan abandoned the move, citing a lack of congressional support.'

https://www.history.com/news/department-education-andrew-johnson-reconstruction

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telephoneman's avatar

Anderson from TN ran on eliminating the DOE years ago

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W.'s avatar

The bumbling dems continue to error and fumble even without their fearless leadership of Uncle Joe. When you can find the real numbers the American people got it so right in the last fair election. President Trump has taken the wheel and without hesitation or question is driving the bus or garbage truck.

You lead, follow or get the hell out of the way. Shoot, move or communicate.

So where IS uncle Joe?

Speculating about that he is most likely in a rocker napping at the Shady Rest.

Bless his heart.

Quickly on the poll ‘what will the media do?

A: report a breaking story of a trainwreck in Pakistan.

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Lawsy0's avatar

If I do a Bless his heart for FJB, my mom would jump up from the burial plot and skin me alive! She could've done it, too.

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W.'s avatar

Lol. A fond memory for sure. She raised you well.

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Damn the torpedoes's avatar

I’m my pre-retired life I was an essential worker. I worked during blizzards and other such events. I could never understand the risks my city government took by pointing out to the taxpayers just how unnecessary most of their government was-I was on the square meal team when the non-essentials were the ice cream sundae. Sundaes are fattening, as DOGE understands, and a shut down will give them the roadmap they need to cut the fat and finally put Washington on a diet.

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telephoneman's avatar

The administration "works at the pleasure of the president"

SHUT IT DOWN

until Oct at least.. this will expose more of the BULLSHIT (sorry but I'm through with the lies)

EXPOSE/EXPOSE/EXPOSE

Romans 8:28

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Lloyd Garnett's avatar

Thank you, Don.

Another great exposition on the mindless, insatiable, ever growing, mission creeping mob-blob … which can not justify its destructive errancy except with shovel fulls of … uh … (Let’s be charitable and call it: … ) … “misinformation”, atop dumpster loads of hypocrisy.

The answer to your survey question is not offered. The fourth and correct choice is: They will blame it on Trump and MAGA. On us. And they will not spare the epithets.

No one in Trump’s MAGA nation, argues that among the MILLIONS of Federal employees, there are not many, many good and conscientious workers … good, really good people. And that the many good and conscientious people do not do good work in fulfilling the General Government’s duties, which are specifically delegated by the sovereign states.

The chief argument is that IT. IS. TOO. BIG. … Too big to manage. Too big to prevent mission creep and trampling of individuals’, local and state governments’ respective sovereignty. Too big to ensure transparency. Too big to prevent waste, abuse and fraud. Too big to prevent undesirable employees from exercising outsized poor judgment, incompetence and even malevolence under alleged auspices of a GIANT, OMNIPOTENT force, that the Federal bureaucracy has become.

The Department of Education should be low hanging fruit and easy pickings for removal, because it is arguably entirely unconstitutional. But even if it should be, by some fantasy, generally constitutional, much of what it does, powers that it has assumed, trespasses upon the rights “of the states and or the people”. (See Amendment No. 10)

Ironically, IF the Department of Education were effective, it would be the source of its own demise. Every American high school graduate would KNOW about and RESENT the DOE’s intrusion and degradation upon the People’s authority over their children’s education. And, but for the “easy money” showered upon our colleges and universities (de facto bribery, in its effect), every law school would be graduating legions of dedicated and courageous fanboys and fangirls of the Framers… such that the DOE would’ve already been dismantled!

My 2 cts. after Bidenomics.

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Suzie's avatar

👍

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